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1 jvic  Mon, Jan 6, 2014 12:59:47pm

Interesting. Indeed, Arctic ice is very near its all-time low for today’s date.

When these exceptionally wavy jet stream patterns occur mid-winter, it’s a recipe for cold air to get sucked southwards. This week, that’s happening in spectacular fashion.

Fine, but is this recipe hindsight or was the effect predicted in advance?

2 Interesting Times  Mon, Jan 6, 2014 1:06:09pm

re: #1 jvic

Fine, but is this recipe hindsight or was the effect predicted in advance?

The basic process was predicted at least ten years ago:

A Chilling Possibility

By disturbing a massive ocean current, melting Arctic sea ice might trigger colder weather in Europe and North America.

That’s the paradoxical scenario gaining credibility among many climate scientists. The thawing of sea ice covering the Arctic could disturb or even halt large currents in the Atlantic Ocean. Without the vast heat that these ocean currents deliver—comparable to the power generation of a million nuclear power plants—Europe’s average temperature would likely drop 5 to 10°C (9 to 18°F), and parts of eastern North America would be chilled somewhat less.

3 jvic  Mon, Jan 6, 2014 1:35:51pm

re: #2 Interesting Times

Thanks for the interesting link, which discusses how northward heat transport by ocean currents can be disrupted by Arctic melting. The Quartz article’s recipe is based on modification of the (atmospheric) jet stream.

4 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jan 6, 2014 5:00:40pm

If this happens next year, and the year after, and after that, then get back to us with the connection to AGW.

5 Skip Intro  Mon, Jan 6, 2014 6:19:03pm

Your not fooling the right wing’s favorite expert on the big liberal climate hoax, recreational narcotics, and divorce laws with this hokum, no sir!

The radio talk show host accused the media of manipulating the recent “cold snap” to put the blame on human influence in order to further propel their global warming “agenda.”

“Right on schedule, the media have to come up with a way to make it [the cold snap] sound like it’s completely unprecedented,” Limbaugh said, “because they’ve got to find a way to attach this to the global warming agenda.”

In August, Limbaugh sparked controversy when he stated that anyone who believes in God “cannot believe in man-made global warming.” His recent statements expanded on his previous claims:

huffingtonpost.com

6 nsmith25  Mon, Jan 6, 2014 6:45:08pm

The Rights Climate Change/Global Warming is a hoax normally just frustrates me. Today I am pissed.

The furnace went out in my house last night. Horrible timing for what is the coldest day in about 20 years in my area in the east central US. But no worry for me and my family, we can bundle up tonight. Got enough space heaters (used safely) and blankets to be okay until morning. But what’s got me now is that we live in the greatest country in the world, but we should be embarrassed. It’s -2 degrees outside, and while I might be inconvenienced for several hours, there are many individuals who don’t have a home. Someone out there is trying to survive on a cold night like this. Yeah, there are shelters, but not everyone that is homeless is in a shelter tonight. Not exactly about the denial of Climate Science, but an ideology that refuses to accept and understand not only something that is backed up by a large amount of evidence, but something that can have a huge impact on peoples lives. Just my smallest bit of feeling uncomfortable is making me sick for those less fortunate, who I feel aren’t getting a fair shake from those in power.

Sorry about the rant from a newbie, but typing keeps my hands warm.

7 wheat-dogghazi  Mon, Jan 6, 2014 8:12:37pm

re: #6 nsmith25

What’s sad is that there is still abject poverty in the USA, which according to some is the Leader of the Free World, a Guiding Light for others to follow.

Sure, we have WIC, and AFDC, and so on, but people living in poverty-stricken areas don’t have the non-monetary resources around to pull themselves out of poverty, like safe neighborhoods, decent schools, jobs(!), access to decent medical care.

8 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave of the waffle light)  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 6:20:40am

These are dimwits who assume the entire planet is a closed system, like a house with central heating: turn up the thermostat and all the rooms get warm evenly and at the same time.

There is no point in trying to explain it to them, it is all a matter of limiting the amount of damage they can do.

9 Ryan King  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 6:32:12am

re: #4 Achilles Tang

If this happens next year, and the year after, and after that, then get back to us with the connection to AGW.

Keep telling yourself that. We’ll get back to you then, and you’ll probably say the same thing.

The reality is that big blizzards and more snow due to AGW have been discussed for a long time. It’s not new.

10 BusyMonster  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 6:51:40am

re: #1 jvic

Interesting. Indeed, Arctic ice is very near its all-time low for today’s date.

Fine, but is this recipe hindsight or was the effect predicted in advance?

The movie “Day After Tomorrow” ham-fistedly covers this idea.

11 Ryan King  Tue, Jan 7, 2014 7:26:42am

re: #10 BusyMonster

The movie “Day After Tomorrow” ham-fistedly covers this idea.

Actually the movie focused on a major disturbance in the North Atlantic current (water), thereby no more warm water north, thereby everything freezes.

What is happening now and has been discussed for some time is that the jet stream (air current) is not as tight to the north which holds frigid weather back. It’s weaker and not as defined, leading to more cold for longer bouts further south. And if the great lakes don’t freeze over when a big frosty happens, that’s just more moisture to pick up more snow on the way down.

That’s how global warming can contribute to more snow.


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