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1 nines09  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 4:45:58pm

Execution of a criminal like that makes you no better than the criminal. Untested? That seems to be the key word in pharmacy, chemical, and medical implants these days. Case in point, the “authorities” do not even know what “safe” levels of that chemical leaked into Elk River in West Virginia are. “It’s safe to drink.” Go right ahead. I’d be on a bus out of town.

2 ObserverArt  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 5:10:29pm

Yeah Ohio!!! ///

A nice God fearin’ state. Wait, what did God say about ‘thou shall not kill?’ What did he know, says the good Christian that supported the death penalty.

And speaking of drug research, a couple years ago a good friend was given Cymbalta for relief of chronic back pain. A few months into the regime he started to act weird, moody, not fun to be around, etc. He was not the same guy. I started to do some research on it because I knew he would not, he does not question doctors and big pharma.

I got to a page at Eli Lily and was stunned when their very own description on the drug was to the effect that they did not know the reasons and whys it does what it does and all the effects of the drug but it was thought to…blah, blah, blah. Didn’t know? Was thought to? Not good enough.

So then I dug further and found a whole forum full of people that have had bad experiences with these type of drugs. Cymbalta has its own separate sub forum and what was being discussed was scary as hell. Now I know that you can’t trust all unknown opinions on a web forum, but there was just such a preponderance of testimonies that were all similar in nature and many that went directly to what I was seeing in my friend. And many of the comments were by people that were much older than 24 years of age and suffering some strange mental/depressive issues. If you’ve ever heard the cautions on this family of drugs they say only those younger than 24 suffer from depressive issues and suicidal tendencies.

I gave my buddy the info without comment and after a couple of weeks he announced he was off the drug.

All I can say is that was a scary episode and I was stunned a drug could be released on assumed knowledge and not researched fact. This whole thing with the death penalty sounds like there was some funky facts behind how it would all work too. But hey…many will think he deserved it. And many of them will be revengeful Christians.

3 stockman  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 6:25:42pm

All antidepressants, including Cymbalta, have as a listed side effect the possibility of developing further depression, suicidality, or emotional lability; it’s just hard to predict who is likely to be affected.

That said, the combination of midazolam and Dilaudid doesn’t make sense to me. Reactions to morphine derivatives can be atypical, and provoke a kind of delirium rather than the quick anesthetic effect of pentobarbital. This sounds completely wrong.

4 jvic  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 7:39:54pm


My purpose isn’t to debate the death penalty, FWIW, I’m against it as a matter of principle, there have been far too many people exonerated long after convictions for me to feel comfortable with it.


I do think that it should remain an option for the most heinous of crimes, where there is no doubt at all as the the guilt and culpability of the individual. I also feel that it should be available for treason, and for desertion in the face of the enemy.


This is just horribly wrong however on so many levels.


2. The weight of opinion in the libertarian site I used to participate in was that cruel and unusual executions were okay because Heinlein said so somewhere. My protests about the Constitutional prohibition were ignored. That was one of the last straws before I stopped calling myself a libertarian.

3. Afaic a few crimes deserve cruel and unusual punishment. IMHO the Constitution prohibits such, not out of concern for those criminals, but because human beings are not wise enough to pass such judgment without eventually abusing the power.

5 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Jan 16, 2014 8:43:48pm

If it were up to me the method of execution would be a 9mm pistol bullet in the back of the head.

I’d also have the role of executioner fulfilled by conscription. Every one who can vote could also end up having to kill someone.

I’ve left a few supporters of the death penalty sputtering when I mention this to them. “I’m not a killer!” they’d exclaim.

6 aagcobb  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:13:31am

re: #4 jvic

human beings are not wise enough to pass such judgment without eventually abusing the power.


7 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:25:59am

I read some of the wingnut Tweets and they are like all HURR HURR BUT HE DIDN’T SUFFER AS MUCH AS THE VICTIM!!!11!!!!!

There should be no death penalty, but the most efficient method of execution is the guillotine. Those who are in support of the death penalty should have to clean up after.

8 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Jan 17, 2014 6:10:44am

re: #4 jvic

IMHO the Constitution prohibits such, not out of concern for those criminals, but because human beings are not wise enough to pass such judgment without eventually abusing the power.

From what I’ve seen many of the supporters of the death penalty can’t wait for the day it is abused.

They believe there are a lot of people out there who deserve to die and they just hate that it’s illegal to kill them.

It’s why George Zimmerman is a hero to them. He did what they’ve always wanted to do.

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