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1 BusyMonster  Mon, Jan 20, 2014 9:57:38am

This sounds like growing up in Denver in the 1980’s. Everywhere we went, we were not wanted, vehemently.

I don’t know what disease a community gets when it cannot tolerate its youngest members being out in public, but it is a fucked-up-in-the-head disease and it won’t get better. It will just turn into a simmering generational distrust.

2 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jan 20, 2014 10:29:34am

re: #1 BusyMonster

This sounds like growing up in Denver in the 1980’s. Everywhere we went, we were not wanted, vehemently.

I don’t know what disease a community gets when it cannot tolerate its youngest members being out in public, but it is a fucked-up-in-the-head disease and it won’t get better. It will just turn into a simmering generational distrust.

Large crowds of lower-class teenagers are very scary to middle and upper class adults who fear violence and the disruption of social order that they are highly placed in.

3 cinesimon  Mon, Jan 20, 2014 2:02:25pm

“…in which living standards for the poor have improved…”
What a line!
That’s about as out of touch as the WSJ with regards to Brazil’s desperate poor. Sadly predictable, in this day of rich people having a monopoly on what reality is.

4 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jan 20, 2014 3:26:30pm

re: #3 cinesimon

“…in which living standards for the poor have improved…”
What a line!
That’s about as out of touch as the WSJ with regards to Brazil’s desperate poor. Sadly predictable, in this day of rich people having a monopoly on what reality is.

Not truly, because life for some people who had been poor in Brazil really has gotten better. The expanding economy has opened up jobs and allowed some poor people and poor areas to improve their conditions. Those improvements haven’t been immense and there still is massive income inequality, but things have changed notably for the better in some areas.

But for some richer people the fact that formerly poor people have some money now and can afford to spend time in places that were formerly the exclusive preserve of the better-off is a problem. They see the presence of a darker-skinned teen in a non-serving role at one of their malls as a challenge, which in some ways it is. The biggest point of these rolezinhos is “You can’t just wall us off anymore”. To a person who derives a good bit of their status from being able to wall lesser people off, that is a grave challenge indeed.

5 kerFuFFler  Tue, Jan 21, 2014 7:53:25am

re: #1 BusyMonster

I don’t know what disease a community gets when it cannot tolerate its youngest members being out in public, but it is a fucked-up-in-the-head disease and it won’t get better.

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Rolezinhos are generally organized on Facebook, with nearly 20 planned in Brazilian cities in the weeks ahead, and often involve running up and down escalators and a good deal of shouting, flirting and singing of Brazilian funk songs.

I guess I’ve become an old fart, but the mall owners and vendors get a fair amount of sympathy from me in this situation. After all, a mall is not a public park. When three thousand rowdy kids show up on private property and show a lack of respect for the rights of people shopping and selling by running around, congesting the escalators intentionally, singing loudly and carrying on they become a safety hazard. The typical staffing on hand would not be able to handle an effective evacuation in the event of an emergency, for example. And because we know that crowds behave differently from individuals regarding lawless behavior, the shop owners have every reason to fear that one of these events could turn suddenly into a riot with looting and violence.

If the young people simply wanted to shop, they have always had the right to show up and do precisely that. By organizing poorly behaved crowds to show up en masse they are revealing their true disruptive intent. I understand that police crackdowns will likely make the problems worse, so I hope they search for a more effective response like scheduling more entertainments at public parks and plazas. Young people need places to socialize, but they also need to respect the rights of others around them.


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