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1 SidewaysQuark  Sun, Feb 2, 2014 1:15:57pm
Article 1

Tunisia is a free, independent and sovereign state. Islam is its religion, Arabic its language, and the republic its system. This article cannot be amended.


Article 39

Education shall be mandatory until at least the age of sixteen.
The State shall guarantee the right to free public education at all
stages and shall seek to provide the necessary means to achieve a high quality of education and training, as it shall work to embed youth
in the Arab-Islamic identity
and their national belonging, and strengthen and promote the Arabic language and expand its usage,
and instill openness to foreign languages and human civilisations,
and spread the culture of human rights.

Great. Islamic Theocracy “Lite”. It’s just as if Republican fundies had their way in the USA.

2 CuriousLurker  Sun, Feb 2, 2014 2:16:06pm

LOL, like clockwork.

3 SidewaysQuark  Sun, Feb 2, 2014 2:41:36pm

re: #2 CuriousLurker

LOL, like clockwork.

Do you disagree, or do you prefer a theocratic constitution?

4 wrenchwench  Sun, Feb 2, 2014 3:23:28pm
5 CuriousLurker  Sun, Feb 2, 2014 3:33:06pm

re: #4 wrenchwench

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Shhhh! Don’t tell anyone about that side—you’ll ruin our reputation. //

6 jvic  Sun, Feb 2, 2014 9:18:06pm

re: #2 CuriousLurker

LOL, like clockwork.

Thanks for the post, CL, but, with all due respect, there are reasons for caution as well as reasons for hope.

Good luck to the Tunisian people.

7 rosiee  Sun, Feb 2, 2014 11:15:40pm

re: #4 wrenchwench

Curry-powered air conditioning

8 CuriousLurker  Sun, Feb 2, 2014 11:19:00pm

re: #6 jvic

Thanks for the post, CL, but, with all due respect, there are reasons for caution as well as reasons for hope.

Good luck to the Tunisian people.

I wish the Tunisian people the best of luck as well, however I’m puzzled at the apparent assumption that simply creating a Page about something related to Islam or Muslims somehow implies that I’m uncritically supportive of whatever the subject happens to be.

I say apparent assumption because with all due respect (and that’s not snark—I sincerely do appreciate your civil tone), as far as I can tell nothing in what I wrote indicated that I don’t think there are reasons for caution. If you’re seeing something I missed, please point it out to me.

Someone tweeted a link to the translation. I read it and found it interesting, and thought some here would also. It’s really that simple.

FWIW, in the nearly four years I’ve been a member here I’ve never been shy about expressing my views. If you look at my profile you’ll see that I’ve posted 500+ Pages and over 14K comments, so most regulars here are well aware of my position on matters related to religion & the importance of our First Amendment and they don’t find it the least bit controversial.

Those who do see controversy are inventing it, typically through innuendo and/or attempting to reframe my words and change their meaning, or to ascribe an intent to my words that exists only in their minds. Also, I suppose some are just lazy and would rather make assumptions than actually take time to read some of the things I’ve written.

I don’t think you’ll be able to find a single instance of me expressing uncritical or ridiculously naively support for things done or attempted by Muslims, especially in countries overseas that I’ve never visited. I have never balked at legitimate criticism of Islam or the behavior of specific Muslims/groups, but with certain people here the criticism is neither legitimate, nor specific, nor intellectually honest—it’s thinly veiled bigotry.

As for my “LOL, like clockwork,” comment it had nothing to do with the subject of the Page, but rather with the timing & tone of the first comment and the identity & past behavior of the commenter.

Okay, that went WAY longer than I intended. G’nite, lizards.

9 SidewaysQuark  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 12:02:36am

There are reasons for caution, as well as reasons for hope. Indeed.

10 jvic  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 12:29:51pm

re: #8 CuriousLurker

I wish the Tunisian people the best of luck as well, however I’m puzzled at the apparent assumption that simply creating a Page about something related to Islam or Muslims somehow implies that I’m uncritically supportive of whatever the subject happens to be.

I say apparent assumption because with all due respect (and that’s not snark—I sincerely do appreciate your civil tone), as far as I can tell nothing in what I wrote indicated that I don’t think there are reasons for caution. If you’re seeing something I missed, please point it out to me..

Afaic your post is entirely reasonable.

Someone tweeted a link to the translation. I read it and found it interesting, and thought some here would also. It’s really that simple.

So I thought all along.

SQ’s #1 slightly increased my concern without changing my overall attitude. Afaic the concluding tone in that post is unnecessary and counterproductive.

11 EPR-radar  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 12:59:19pm

re: #1 SidewaysQuark

Great. Islamic Theocracy “Lite”. It’s just as if Republican fundies had their way in the USA.

No self-respecting American Patriot would put drivel about “instill openness to foreign languages and human civilizations, and spread the culture of human rights” in a fresh new US constitution.

“Up with God, Up with Guns, Down with the gays!” should be all the text that is really needed in a constitution.

12 freetoken  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 2:09:29pm

Thailand is still a monarchy and I believe the king is supposed to be an adherent of Buddhism.

13 freetoken  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 2:10:08pm

An, incidentally, just today the US had to issue a very carefully worded statement regarding the current political turmoil in Thailand.

14 freetoken  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 2:11:56pm
15 CuriousLurker  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 4:08:33pm

re: #12 freetoken

re: #13 freetoken

re: #14 freetoken

Thanks!

16 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 4:12:06pm

“I attempted to find out which countries have a religious requirement for the presidency, but I couldn’t find a list. I assume most conservative Muslim-majority countries do, and obviously the Vatican City would require that the Pope be a Catholic male, but beyond that…? If anyone knows of any, please leave a comment.”

The King/Queen of England is the head of the Church of England, so…duh.

17 CuriousLurker  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 4:21:45pm

re: #16 Decatur Deb

The King/Queen of England is the head of the Church of England, so…duh.

E gad! I can’t believe I missed that one.

18 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 4:34:32pm

re: #17 CuriousLurker

E gad! I can’t believe I missed that one.

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Think there might be a couple more like that—hangovers from “cujus regio, ejus religio”. Denmark, a bit, and possible others:

Church of Denmark - Folkekirken
Church of Norway - Den norske kirke
National Church of Iceland - Þjóðkirkjan
Church of the Faroe Islands - Fólkakirkjan

19 EPR-radar  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 4:37:25pm

re: #17 CuriousLurker

E gad! I can’t believe I missed that one.

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The english crown is a symbolic constitutional monarchy. It would not be unreasonable to exclude that and similar situations from the question of which countries have religious tests for political positions with actual power.

E.g., I’m sure the Emperor of Japan has religious significance, but it seems pretty much irrelevant in practice.

20 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 4:43:08pm

re: #19 EPR-radar

The english crown is a symbolic constitutional monarchy. It would not be unreasonable to exclude that and similar situations from the question of which countries have religious tests for political positions with actual power.

E.g., I’m sure the Emperor of Japan has religious significance, but it seems pretty much irrelevant in practice.

Two cases of temporary stumbles on the path of empire.

21 CuriousLurker  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 5:12:20pm

re: #19 EPR-radar

The english crown is a symbolic constitutional monarchy. It would not be unreasonable to exclude that and similar situations from the question of which countries have religious tests for political positions with actual power.

E.g., I’m sure the Emperor of Japan has religious significance, but it seems pretty much irrelevant in practice.

Thanks. I’ve kept England in the list, but noted that the designation is primarily symbolic. WRT Japan, I couldn’t even find anything symbolic,. It seems their constitution has absolute separation of church & state (though I’m sure the emperor’s religious beliefs have a strong cultural significance).

22 CuriousLurker  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 5:21:08pm

re: #18 Decatur Deb

Think there might be a couple more like that—hangovers from “cujus regio, ejus religio”. Denmark, a bit, and possible others:

Church of Denmark - Folkekirken
Church of Norway - Den norske kirke
National Church of Iceland - Þjóðkirkjan
Church of the Faroe Islands - Fólkakirkjan

I’ll check these mañana, thanks.

23 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 5:29:21pm

re: #22 CuriousLurker

I’ll check these mañana, thanks.

They’re all hotlinked in the wiki for any of them.

24 Flavia  Sat, Feb 8, 2014 11:52:48pm

re: #1 SidewaysQuark

Great. Islamic Theocracy “Lite”. It’s just as if Republican fundies had their way in the USA.

Or maybe it’s like Great Britain, with their state religion.

I think this is a great step forward, and I wish them well; not just for themselves, but for the example they set for all the other nations in the area.


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