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1 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:22:49am

I don’t agree on the point of the smelt. It should be removed from the Endangered Species Act and if it then goes extinct, fine. It does not have enough value to be worth the harm protecting it causes.

2 Skip Intro  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 7:48:37am

And if other fish rely on the smelt for food, they can go extinct too.

Great plan, DF. I’d expect nothing less from a Repuiblican.

3 Political Atheist  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 8:41:38am

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

The whole point is the smelt story stinks. It does not represent the real why and hows of the matter. And this Californian has really had it with the big parties playing power games with our resources and infrastructure.

A point I have made before in the enviro movement vs those who are actually implementing big solar, wind etc. California is at the tip of the spear. But what has happened with the smelt story is a convenient fiction.

This is no hurricane, no earthquake that grabs the news. Our drought is a slow moving crisis, literally drips along and takes its toll in agriculture, exports (wine country) hydro power and real estate. We can’t muddy the waters sts and move forward.

4 calochortus  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 8:44:31am

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

What harm is the Delta smelt causing? It’s keeping the politically well connected from making money?
I will excuse you from having an in-depth knowledge of water in California, but it is far, far more complicated than most non-Californians realize. You’re probably also too young (and I really don’t mean that as dismissive-but having actually experienced these things helps in understanding) to remember water quality nationwide in the early 1960s. Or what bad air quality was like in that same time frame. Cleaning up each of these was controversial at the time, as was saving endangered species because Progress! Too often we don’t know what harm we cause until it is too late.

We can also ask the question why should farmers get the water at the expense of fishermen?
To give a specific example, why should corporate farms growing alfalfa in the desert, the vast majority of which will be shipped overseas, have a higher priority than reestablishing a continuous flow of water in the San Joaquin River and thus restoring a salmon population. Fresno’s Friant Dam blocks the flow of a lot of source water from the mountains so parts of the river are bone dry. There have been years recently when there was no salmon season at all, which has been really hard on the fishermen.

5 Political Atheist  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 9:03:07am

re: #4 calochortus

You inspired my subtitle, just added.

6 Flounder  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 1:59:07pm

Whoever smelt it, dealt it.

7 BusyMonster  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 3:55:01pm

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

I don’t agree on the point of the smelt. It should be removed from the Endangered Species Act and if it then goes extinct, fine. It does not have enough value to be worth the harm protecting it causes.

Based on what advanced understanding of ecology do you assign value?

Or is the smelt just not cute enough to save?

8 sagehen  Mon, Feb 3, 2014 9:47:35pm

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

I don’t agree on the point of the smelt. It should be removed from the Endangered Species Act and if it then goes extinct, fine. It does not have enough value to be worth the harm protecting it causes.

That smelt, when it finishes spawning and heads out to the ocean, is the food source that draws the salmon that commercial fisheries depend on.

When there’s a choice between giving farmers the water, or giving fish the water —

If the farmers get no water, they have a bad year.
If the fish get no water, they’re gone forever.


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