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Here in Canada the Conservatives are trying to stack the deck in their favor

By Romantic Heretic

Canada • February 2014 • Views: 2,273

Just like their GOP counterparts the Conservative Party is doing its best to restrict democracy and make it easier to cheat.

Here are the things that piss me off the most about their new Fair Elections Act.

First, just like the GOP, they are trying to prevent voting by those unlikely to vote Conservative: natives, students and such.

Second, they’re raising the amount that can be donated by an individual. Worse, they are changing the law so that soliciting past donors for funds no longer counts as an election expense.

Worst of all, they are making it more difficult to investigate possible election fraud. The stupidest change they’re making is that Elections Canada now has to tell a party or candidate they are being investigated and why before starting the investigation! I’m sure the police would love having to tell a drug lord or mob boss they are being investigated and what for before they can start investigating.

The evilest thing the Conservatives are doing is transferring the enforcement arm of Elections Canada from Elections Canada to the Justice Department. What this means that rather than be controlled by Parliament, that is the people of Canada, it will now be controlled by whatever party is running the country, which is currently the Conservative Party.

Damn, I simply can’t stand that these asshole aristocrats run my country.

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28 comments

1

EiMitch Sat, Feb 8, 2014 10:49:52am

I know the following is horrible to say, but I feel a bit better for being reminded that my country doesn’t have a monopoly on such shameless a-holes.

2

rosiee Sun, Feb 9, 2014 4:45:45pm

You mad that the Con’s are in the process of removing pro-Liberal, clunky and Byzantine bureaucrats?

Mayrand said he would no longer be able to take part in Student Vote, a national program that allows 500,000 students who are not yet of voting age to vote in a parallel election.

Aww will they have to stop their Federally funded Liberal brainwashing programs?

CBC should be the next to go.

3

jaunte Sun, Feb 9, 2014 4:56:07pm

From the Student Vote website:

Canada, like many western democracies, has seen a steady decline in voter turnout in the last two decades. Electoral participation reached an all-time low of 59 per cent in the 2008 federal election and voter turnout in most provinces is hovering above or below 50 per cent.
………..
Following the 2011 federal election, Elections Canada commissioned the National Youth Survey to investigate the barriers that limit electoral participation among Canadian youth. The largest motivational barriers were lack of political interest and knowledge, a belief that all political parties were the same and that no party spoke to issues relevant to youth, and a lower sense that voting was a civic duty. The most important access barrier was lack of knowledge about the electoral process, including not knowing about different ways to vote and not knowing how or when to vote.
studentvote.ca

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Varek Raith Sun, Feb 9, 2014 4:57:43pm

re: #2 rosiee

Lol.

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122 Year Old Obama Sun, Feb 9, 2014 4:59:02pm

Speaking of someone who can’t help theirself…

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b_sharp Sun, Feb 9, 2014 5:05:51pm

re: #2 rosiee

You mad that the Con’s are in the process of removing pro-Liberal, clunky and Byzantine bureaucrats?

Aww will they have to stop their Federally funded Liberal brainwashing programs?

CBC should be the next to go.

The Cons are just being their dishonest selves.

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William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Feb 9, 2014 5:12:47pm

re: #2 rosiee

Con’s (how appropriate a name) can’t win with out lies and stacking the deck. Just like here. You may have fallen for their big con but you can’t con honest people.

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Romantic Heretic Sun, Feb 9, 2014 5:25:56pm

re: #2 rosiee

You mad that the Con’s are in the process of removing pro-Liberal, clunky and Byzantine bureaucrats?

Aww will they have to stop their Federally funded Liberal brainwashing programs?

CBC should be the next to go.

If the Liberals or NDP pulled this shit I’d be against it.

And thanks for demonstrating once again that most of those claiming to be conservatives are actually revolutionaries in the Bolshevik mode. It isn’t your intention to keep our system going. Your intention is to destroy it utterly and replace it with a dictatorship where only people like you get a say.

To which I reply, “Molon labe! Come get some!”

Okay not pissed anymore. Sorry for flying off the handle, folks. But I’ve been on the receiving end of dickwads like Our Dear Leader and the alleged person I’m replying to. They piss me off.

9

rosiee Sun, Feb 9, 2014 7:19:48pm

Nice groupthink you have going on here!
Conservative bad
Libreral Good
me smash!

b_sharp Sun, Feb 9, 2014 7:28:00pm

re: #9 rosiee

Nice groupthink you have going on here!
Conservative bad
Libreral Good
me smash!

Nonsense. We have a number of conservatives here.

What is bad is a dishonest politician trying to change the rules in order to affect the voting results.

rosiee Sun, Feb 9, 2014 7:59:40pm

re: #10 b_sharp

They are evening the odds, making it fair, you have a totally skewed view of this. Liberals and NDP control the unions and education system, buerocracy is solidly Liberal, our media is Liberal/socialist; how is any of this fair? Conservatives want merely to be given a fair shot. And guess what, the majority of Canadians enjoy our prosperity under them and though they aren’t perfect, the blue party is Canada’s best bet in terms of economics. Not only that but Harper’s unyielding morals vis-a-vis Israel win him the head of state of the year IMO.

re: #8 Romantic Heretic

You really think that the Conservatives are more corrupt then the Liberals? NDP receive massive donations from unions across the country even though this has been illegal since 2004

Don’t be hypocrites.

palomino Sun, Feb 9, 2014 8:03:35pm

re: #9 rosiee

Nice groupthink you have going on here!
Conservative bad
Libreral Good
me smash!

Oh, you’re the Hulk.

That would explain why most of your comments are unintelligible gibberish. Of all lizards, I think I’d vote for you as Most Dishonest/Trolly Lizard. It’s awards season, after all.

Why would I give you the Razzie? Because you’re not interested in conversation or real debate, which involves an honest exchange of ideas. Instead, you just make snarky angry comments and then run away. Like a kid lighting a bag of shit on fire, leaving it on his neighbor’s doorstep, ringing the doorbell, then running away.

You might actually have some interesting intelligent insights. But since you approach this board like it’s a toilet, I guess we’ll never know.

Interesting Times Sun, Feb 9, 2014 8:10:52pm

At least the Liberals and NDP don’t pull this kind of garbage:

Dismantling of Fishery Library ‘Like a Book Burning,’ Say Scientists

The Harper government has dismantled one of the world’s top aquatic and fishery libraries as part of its agenda to reduce government as well as limit the role of environmental science in policy decision-making.
…
“It was a world class library with some of the finest environmental science and freshwater book collections in the world. It was certainly the best in Canada, but it’s no more,” said Burt Ayles, a 68-year-old retired research scientist and former regional director general for freshwaters in central Canada and the Arctic.

Nice to know the harpercons are such huge fans of book-burning and Lysenkoism.

rosiee Sun, Feb 9, 2014 8:18:40pm

re: #12 palomino

Bullshit, I’ve discussed, ‘cept around here anyone that doesn’t tow the line gets hammered down.

rosiee Sun, Feb 9, 2014 8:20:18pm

re: #13 Interesting Times

What a load of reddit tier propaganda, digitizing libraries is now an egregious human rights violation?
>book burnings
with what hyperbole you speak and with what high esteem you hold yourself.

palomino Mon, Feb 10, 2014 2:10:16am

re: #14 rosiee

Bullshit, I’ve discussed, ‘cept around here anyone that doesn’t tow the line gets hammered down.

Doesn’t tow what line? The Canadian Liberal Party line? Most people here never even talk about Canada. No offense, but most commenters here probably don’t care about Canada very much. And it’s usually easy to do.

It’s your tone, rosie, that’s the problem. It sucks. For instance, on this thread your first post calls people brainwashed. Your next post accuses others here of groupthink. Do you really, honestly think people will respond to that without any hostility? When you jump on and make statements like that, you’re not really inviting others to a real conversation. You’re just throwing bombs wildly.

DF and other conservatives here don’t usually have this problem. Because they’re making a good faith effort to engage others in debate.

Romantic Heretic Mon, Feb 10, 2014 6:44:47am

Rosiee? If I may inquire?

If Canada is run entirely by liberals and the voting process is skewed to exclude conservatives then why has the Conservative Party formed the government for the last eight years? And will continue for at least another two years making it a full decade they’ve been in power?

Take your time. We’ll wait.

Also that National Putz article you linked? They’re being dishonest. The law you highlighted has to do with election campaigns. The case in the article was money collected to help the person mentioned in the article defend himself against a defamation suit. The defendant was not acting as a Member of Parliament but as a private individual.

Nice try though.

b_sharp Mon, Feb 10, 2014 6:55:25am

re: #11 rosiee

They are evening the odds, making it fair, you have a totally skewed view of this. Liberals and NDP control the unions and education system, buerocracy is solidly Liberal, our media is Liberal/socialist; how is any of this fair? Conservatives want merely to be given a fair shot. And guess what, the majority of Canadians enjoy our prosperity under them and though they aren’t perfect, the blue party is Canada’s best bet in terms of economics. Not only that but Harper’s unyielding morals vis-a-vis Israel win him the head of state of the year IMO.

You really think that the Conservatives are more corrupt then the Liberals? NDP receive massive donations from unions across the country even though this has been illegal since 2004

Don’t be hypocrites.

If you think the NDP and Liberals control the union you’re deluding yourself. Union members do not vote as a block and like the rest of us they listen to the politicians and decide who to vote for based on that. The majority of those who actually vote against the Cons do so not because of some unfair advantage given them by the voting process but because the Cons have been anti-union for decades.

The bureaucracy, as you call it, is run top down and the top layer of bureaucrats are culled every time a new party comes to power. As for the media, that isn’t left leaning in any sense, in fact it’s quite solidly centrist. The only reason the right feels the media is left leaning is because the Con right is so frequently wrong when it comes to accurate reporting. If the right would stop being dumb about what they believe is going on in the world, the news would more frequently reflect their beliefs.

As far as politicians playing games with the rules, you are right, none of them should be allowed to do so. However, an individual screw-up like the one you linked to is hardly in the same ball park as changing the federal election act.

rosiee Mon, Feb 10, 2014 7:33:54am

re: #16 palomino

You could only name one other conservative around here, DF maintains a low profile and tries not to ruffle any feathers, IDGAF, if I see a page like this which is slanderous, I will comment.

Interesting Times Mon, Feb 10, 2014 7:50:08am

The harpercons, who happily gut science funding and make it harder for Canadians to vote, have no problem wasting taxpayer dollars on crap like this:

Harper Government Advertises Non-Existent Jobs Program

The Harper government has recently paid for advertising spots during playoff hockey to promote a new economic action plan project: the Canada Jobs grant. The jobs grant, however, does not in fact exist.

Fiscal responsibility!!1!!

Interesting Times Mon, Feb 10, 2014 7:56:11am

More on harper book-burning:

Canadian libricide: Tories torch and dump centuries of priceless, irreplaceable environmental archives

Back in 2012, when Canada’s Harper government announced that it would close down national archive sites around the country, they promised that anything that was discarded or sold would be digitized first. But only an insignificant fraction of the archives got scanned, and much of it was simply sent to landfill or burned.

After Muzzling Scientists, Canadian Government Now Moves On To Book Burnings

There seems to have been no attempt to find other homes for books, maps and unique collections of historical data, or even to offer them for free to the Canadian public that paid for them. Instead, they are simply being destroyed, some in literal book burnings:

Many collections such as the Maurice Lamontagne Institute Library in Mont-Joli, Quebec ended up in dumpsters while others such as Winnipeg’s historic Freshwater Institute library were scavenged by citizens, scientists and local environmental consultants. Others were burned or went to landfills, say scientists.

What’s strange is that even though the rationale for this mass destruction is apparently in order to reduce costs, opportunities to sell off more valuable items have been ignored.

harper is by far the most destructive, dangerous, anti-science “leader” this country has ever had.

Romantic Heretic Mon, Feb 10, 2014 10:38:52am

re: #19 rosiee

If it’s slanderous why don’t you sue me? Oh wait. You’ll be laughed out of court.

I also noticed you didn’t deal with any of the points in my last comment. Can’t say I’m surprised. Addicts don’t often exhibit rational behaviour, and hate makes you high.

rosiee Mon, Feb 10, 2014 10:53:14am

re: #22 Romantic Heretic

You’ve not convinced me that any of this is not warranted, why should the Conservative party not change Elections Canada, and how does changing it do anything but take away the power of the anti-Conservative establishment?

Doesn’t this make elections fair and stop the abuse of powers, like the recent Robocall furor which was funded by NDP money, to which unions donate.

Indeed unions are anti-Conservative and one must look to their influence on Canadian children.

I don’t see how any of this is unlawful. Mind you, there seems to be a notion that Conservatives can do no right with some posters in this thread and I withhold judgement, till I’ve seen proof of misdeeds.

If I were you I would look at the posts in this thread and see that the anti-Conservative side is one of lambast and hyperbole, and I would not want to be associated with such zealotry. All I see is a total lack of introspection and a furor of hate being poured upon the blues.
Knee-jerk hate of the Conservatives, seems to be your bread and butter, but you skirt the main issue I raised, how can the other parties compete in a fair way with the Cons without resorting to smear tactics like Romantic Heretic and others have done in this thread.

Also they have won elections through the stability and economic sense of their party.

rosiee Mon, Feb 10, 2014 11:07:14am

re: #20 Interesting Times

I’m sorry but these pieces do not indicate an anti-Science slant, they indicate the lessening of Government overhead. What you are really disagreeing about is the philosophy of small Government.

Romantic Heretic Mon, Feb 10, 2014 11:55:57am

re: #23 rosiee

Um, the Robocalls scandal involved harassing phone calls in multiple ridings during the last election. What you linked was a private individual, who also happens to be an MP, raising funds to defend himself in a court case. That is not illegal.

re: #24 rosiee

So, what are you saying here? That it is okay to destroy knowledge in order to pursue a political agenda? Have I got that right?

CuriousLurker Mon, Feb 10, 2014 12:02:25pm

Hey Dark, you have to stop being so low profile—get out there and fight for the team like… oh, wait… LOL:

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palomino Mon, Feb 10, 2014 3:16:28pm

re: #19 rosiee

You could only name one other conservative around here, DF maintains a low profile and tries not to ruffle any feathers, IDGAF, if I see a page like this which is slanderous, I will comment.

You still don’t get it. DF, a low profile? He probably posts as much as anyone else on this entire blog. He gets downdinged all the time. What he doesn’t do (usually) is start off his posts calling other lizards brainwashed group thinkers. So he doesn’t face the kind of pushback you’re getting now.

If you have any respect whatsoever for this site and people who comment here, why begin your dialogue with others in such a way?

If you don’t respect this site and its members, then why are you here at all?

EPR-radar Mon, Feb 10, 2014 5:04:06pm

re: #27 palomino

You still don’t get it. DF, a low profile? He probably posts as much as anyone else on this entire blog. He gets downdinged all the time. What he doesn’t do (usually) is start off his posts calling other lizards brainwashed group thinkers. So he doesn’t face the kind of pushback you’re getting now.

If you have any respect whatsoever for this site and people who comment here, why begin your dialogue with others in such a way?

If you don’t respect this site and its members, then why are you here at all?

How members of the 101st chairborne count coup in their on-line interactions remains a mystery to me.

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