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1 jvic  Sat, Feb 8, 2014 12:11:56pm

Where are the hyperlinks? There is absolutely no excuse for making accusations like this without supporting them with evidence.

Posts like this are how sensible blogs deteriorate into freeper quality. My attitude is to only give downdings for ad hominem attacks, but I’m tempted to deviate from it.

2 mikeatmartel  Sat, Feb 8, 2014 12:22:59pm

A quick search turned up these reports and a wiki entry. re: #1 jvic


en.wikipedia.org

bbc.co.uk

bbc.co.uk

3 The War TARDIS  Sat, Feb 8, 2014 12:35:19pm

Thank You, I will fix this.

4 CuriousLurker  Sat, Feb 8, 2014 1:01:40pm

re: #1 jvic

The only reasonable looking links I could find for the heart attack story point to a version that appears to originate from Gulf News (Dubai). The rest of the search results were to sites like the Daily Mail, Infowars, Weasel Zippers, and various other questionable and/or less than objective sources.

Sadly, I don’t find it impossible to believe. Still, like you, I’d rather see more familiar, reliable, mainstream sources reporting it before I accept it as 100% true.

The thing that struck me as odd was that the report says the university officials said the reason the female student wasn’t treated was because she was “not covered and that no man could be allowed into the women’s college.” So why wouldn’t the other students just cover her up and take her out? It seems like a really obvious solution, but then I wasn’t there in the middle of the chaos and may be unaware of possible repercussions if anyone tried to intervene.

*SIGH* If this is true, it’s depressing because no one is going to focus on something some of the students said that is true:

“Islam is a religion that facilitates practices, and the religious rule, in exceptional situations, are relaxed,” some of the students told the daily. “We do not see any necessity that is more pressing than rescuing the life of a human being from imminent death.”

Saving a life always trumps religious rules, whether they be about consuming forbidden food or beverages, termination of pregnancy, immodesty, etc. If those people indeed allowed a young woman to die for the reasons stated, then they were unequivocally wrong in so doing.

5 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 8, 2014 1:01:48pm

It’s about oil with the Saudis, it always has been.

6 The War TARDIS  Sat, Feb 8, 2014 1:18:37pm

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

And at what point do we decide that morality and safety is worth more than money?

I’m getting very tired of us supporting the Saudi State.

7 electrotek  Sat, Feb 8, 2014 1:24:31pm

Careful not to tell this to any Pakistani Sunni though. They’ll say its all kuffar propaganda. This is the country that 95% of Pakistanis call a “friend” and want to emulate towards.

8 The War TARDIS  Sat, Feb 8, 2014 2:18:52pm

re: #7 electrotek

Really, because most of my friends are Pakistani and are tired of this too.

I may despise the government of Pakistan, but I have very little bad to say about the people.

So, don’t try to smear them in front of me.

9 jvic  Sat, Feb 8, 2014 3:42:35pm

re: #4 CuriousLurker

The only reasonable looking links I could find for the heart attack story point to a version that appears to originate from Gulf News (Dubai)…

Sadly, I don’t find it impossible to believe. Still, like you, I’d rather see more familiar, reliable, mainstream sources reporting it before I accept it as 100% true.

I saw the Dubai News link too. You’re right, maybe we should invoke the—-what is it called?—-24 Hour Rule before letting ourselves get carried away.

Saving a life always trumps religious rules, whether they be about consuming forbidden food or beverages, termination of pregnancy, immodesty, etc.

Luke 14:5 (King James Version):

And [Jesus] answered them, saying, Which of you shall have an ass or an ox fallen into a pit, and will not straightway pull him out on the sabbath day?

10 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 8, 2014 7:54:36pm

re: #6 The War TARDIS

And at what point do we decide that morality and safety is worth more than money?

I’m getting very tired of us supporting the Saudi State.

When the damage being done by the House of Saud exceeds the damage its fall will cause.

11 The War TARDIS  Sat, Feb 8, 2014 8:23:58pm

re: #10 Dark_Falcon

I would argue it already has.

Look at Afghanistan. Look at Libya, look at Algeria.

Look at the USA. We scared of our own shadow. There are 3,000+ people would aren’t here because of them. Thousands of lives cut short and ruined. We have sacrificed so much of what it means to be America after those attacks, and the Muslim world is in pain because of the peddling of their toxic ideology.

I want to be done supporting them. I want them to be pushed to collapse. Yemen has suffered enough at their hands. Give them them support so, when the time comes and Saudi begins to falter, they can go in and reclaim those lands taken from them 80 years ago.

12 BusyMonster  Sun, Feb 9, 2014 7:42:52pm

re: #11 The War TARDIS

I want them to be pushed to collapse. Yemen has suffered enough at their hands. Give them them support so, when the time comes and Saudi begins to falter, they can go in and reclaim those lands taken from them 80 years ago.

There’s really no need. If Saudi Arabia does not modernize its culture, it will become a sparsely-populated and very unimportant backwater soon, and I think 20 years is probably stretching it. The only thing apparently propping up their social order is oil, and the day when we no longer really need them is coming pretty fast. I know some folks think we’ll just keep digging at the oil, but regardless of whether we do or not they are running out. Being a wilfully incurious culture, they are not going to have or even want the expertise they’ll need to transition away from their fossil fuel economy. The power that keeps that twisted order in place will collapse very suddenly, and I think the rest of the world will end up stepping in to keep it from becoming another last-world tragedy. They are so far down that cul-de-sac, at least by appearances, I can’t see the same cultural forces staying dominant while they are rescued by outside influences. Western culture will have to come into the Saudi world to modernize it, to do something other than paste a thin veneer of technology over their cities. They’ll need actual infrastructure and education, and they have purged their society of virtually anyone capable of providing it.

So, likely the problem is going to solve itself quite soon.

13 hellosnackbar  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 1:08:59am

Dogma trumps common sense!
The backbone of religious drivel!


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