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1 The War TARDIS  Sat, Feb 8, 2014 10:15:35pm

Reverts are heavily over represented here. It looks like by about double the percentage we make up in the Muslim Community in this nation.

2 CuriousLurker  Sun, Feb 9, 2014 10:58:13am

re: #1 The War TARDIS

Reverts are heavily over represented here. It looks like by about double the percentage we make up in the Muslim Community in this nation.

You’ve gone through all 226 people who were motivated by Jihadist ideology?

How do you know which ones were “reverts”? Whether or not someone was born in the U.S. isn’t a reliable indicator, nor is ethnicity, so unless you’ve read the details of all 226 plots (I haven’t) AND each one specifically mentions whether or not the person was a convert (they don’t, for example), then your assertion is unfounded.

Additionally, what percentage of U.S. Muslims are reverts? Does anyone even have firm numbers on how many Muslims live in the U.S. period?

To my knowledge, there are no hard numbers as the U.S. Census doesn’t ask about religion. There have been comprehensive studies made & reports issued that provide some good estimates—for example this Pew report from 2009 and this one from 2011, then there was the The American Mosque 2011 study—but I don’t think any of them can be considered definitive.

According to the 2011 Pew report The Future of the Global Muslim Population:

About two-thirds of the Muslims in the U.S. today (64.5%) are first-generation immigrants (foreign-born), while slightly more than a third (35.5%) were born in the U.S. By 2030, however, more than four-in-ten of the Muslims in the U.S. (44.9%) are expected to be native-born.

pewforum.org

So 1/3 of American Muslims are U.S. citizens by birth—that’s not a small percentage. Being born in the U.S. doesn’t mean they’re converts though. They could be 2nd or 3rd (or more) generation Americans whose parents were immigrants from Muslims countries. They could also be 2nd and 3rd (or more) generation Americans whose parents were NOT immigrants from Muslim countries.

For example, back in Texas I knew a family where the husband was a convert from Judaism, the wife was a convert from Mormonism, and their four blonde-haired, blue-eyed kids were being raised as Muslims—Shia Muslims, in fact, with a strong Sufi influence. I know an African American woman in New Jersey who is in her 50’s, was raised Muslim by her parents, and now has grandkids who are also Muslim.

Anyway, I don’t want to go off track and this comment is getting too long, so I’m going to stop as I think (hope) I’ve made my point.

3 wrenchwench  Sun, Feb 9, 2014 8:55:49pm

What a nicely done Page. That footnote is nifty. I mean, the topic is well covered!

Have you been saving this for some reason? /

4 CuriousLurker  Mon, Feb 10, 2014 9:32:44am

re: #3 wrenchwench

What a nicely done Page. That footnote is nifty. I mean, the topic is well covered!

Have you been saving this for some reason? /

ww < I spend hours gathering info and she’s impressed with the footnote. //

Actually, yeah, it is kinda nifty to be able to provide a clickable footnote. If you ever want to know how/if something works in HTML, just give me a holler. I keep hoping that one day Charles will allow tables as they’d be great for… well, for tabular data, but I know they can be problematic for him.


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