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1 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 18, 2014 6:33:26pm

Ummm…That’s what a whistleblower looks like.,

2 BusyMonster  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:24:17am

This is why I will never be a pro-nuclear guy.

Human stupidity being what it is, it is simply not wise, ever, to combine flat-footed bureaucracy and a high potential for release of energy or toxic fallout. I swear we’ve been listening to the pro-nuke people for 30 years tell us that shit is all safe now, and here we are watching RIGHT IN FRONT OF US, the spectacle of bureaucratic fuckheadedness and the colossal stupidity of people who think they’re “official” and can’t be questioned, whose fuck-witted actions are no doubt leading, AT THIS MOMENT to some kind of readily-preventable, head-slappingly obvious catastrophe that will not get anyone fired or even questioned for their competence, but will cost billions and give several thousand people a horrible disease.

So, NEVER EVER EVER will I support putting fucking retards like this, in charge of a possible glowing mass of radioactive anything. THIS is the EXACT reason why I think nuclear should be buried about 100,000 feet underground. It can NEVER be safe. EVER.

3 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 5:28:24am

re: #1 Decatur Deb

Ummm…That’s what a whistleblower looks like.,

This is one of the times that just doesn’t matter. Companies want to get their share of that big pot of money and they’ll fire anyone who poses a risk of keeping them from it.

4 EPR-radar  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 1:54:54pm

re: #2 BusyMonster

The only model I can support for increased use of nuclear energy in the US is as an entirely government-run operation (e.g. nuclear Navy).

For-profit operation of nuclear power plants is basically impossible in the US, since no US company is ever going to want to pay the cost for having people on-site at all times that can deal sensibly with the unexpected.

That was my take-away from the three mile island incident, where operator training focusing on a single gauge (which malfunctioned/was improperly designed) for the pressure relief valve. This gauge indicated that the valve was closed, when in actuality the valve was stuck open.

So for several hours, the operators acted as if it wasn’t a loss of coolant accident, and some of their actions in this time frame made things worse (e.g., shutting down the emergency core cooling pumps). Meanwhile, there was plenty of evidence available to show that it was a loss of cooling incident.

5 Political Atheist  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 2:41:03pm

re: #4 EPR-radar

I don’t accept the premise only government can run a safe operation. First off, the government has also had it’s share of industrial accidents. It has also shown lack of oversight etc, cost cuts have had serious consequences. Secondly there are of course examples of well run nuclear plants, and other very dangerous processes that are also well run.

Nothing is long term accident free. Government vs private industry is not the question. The real point is you have to have smart well trained and strongly empowered oversight. That does not come automatically to any kind of organization. None whatsoever. Not the Federal government not the military industrial complex and certainly not to energy companies. Nuke or coal. Chernobyl was government run.

If we don’t have dramatically expanded nuclear power to offset fossil fuels we will certainly suffer the worst consequences of climate change because wind and solar etc are not going to fill the gap in time.

Next look at the sad state of US reactor design & operational experience. essentially frozen in time for decades. Why? Totally stymied by an environmental movement so scared and powerful it stopped nuclear power dead in in its tracks here. This, despite the ongoing deaths and consequences of coal. Apparently those deaths are somehow of lesser concern.

Advanced and demonstrably less dangerous designs can’t get built let alone tested in genuine circumstances.

6 Ming  Wed, Feb 19, 2014 7:25:09pm

re: #5 Political Atheist

Some very difficult decisions will have to be made, as the worldwide demand for energy continues to rise. I’m no expert, but I suspect you’re absolutely right that wind and solar won’t fill the gap in time.

I happen to be excited about solar, and I’ve heard solar is popular in San Diego County, where (I don’t know why) electricity is apparently quite expensive. Also, I noticed this about fusion a few days ago. So there may be good news about energy, but there will no doubt be plenty of bad news, e.g. China’s increasing use of filthy coal.


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