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1 socrets  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 11:00:05am

I’m sorry. I didn’t realize that raping your fellow soldiers was something the military wanted to keep in its culture. Also, the things that Senator Graham does not understand could fill the internet and then some. The sooner commanders no longer have any say in what cases are brought, the better.

2 nines09  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 1:32:21pm

If the “unique culture” of anything includes rape with no repercussions it’s not a “culture” but a disease. When one cannot clean ones own house, the house loses value.

3 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 2:24:04pm

Point of order: Ted Cruz and Mitch McConnell both voted for the bill and both are conservatives. The opposition to the bill has been lead by Senator Claire McCaskill of Missouri, who is not a conservative and is in fact a Democrat.

In fact, the defections on this bill were dead even: 10 Democrats voted against it, and 10 Republicans voted for it. Nor were many of the votes against based on any ‘war on women’: Mark Kirk (R, IL) switched sides to oppose the bill based on chain-of-commander concerns, as did Senator Tom Carper (D, DE).

To be clear, I support Senator Gillibrand bill. Using Lindsey Graham and Ted Cruz as markers helps illustrate what seems to be a disagreement about First Principals:

Senator Cruz supports the bill because he approaches it firstly as a matter of law and justice (this makes additional sense in that he is a lawyer). In that view, the reporting and punishment of rape is the chief priority. Weakening the principal of the unity of command is acceptable if that is the only way to ensure justice.

Senator Graham, by contrast, approaches the issue first as an Air Force officer, even though he is a lawyer as well. From his standpoint, ensuring the capability of the unit is of paramount importance, and the threat this bill poses to the integrity of the chain of command makes it unacceptable.
I don’t agree with this line of argument, but I do understand it, since there may be times when unit capability really does require a likely rapist stay at his post at least for a time. However, I’m convinced that problem can be overcome without throwing the bill away.

4 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 2:44:53pm

re: #3 Dark_Falcon

However, I’m convinced that problem can be overcome without throwing the bill away

I really hope so DF. It will be a long time before we have another Congress Critter as capable as Gillibrand to work for it.

Those of us in Illinois need to work on Mark Kirk.

5 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 8, 2014 4:21:26pm

Deleted. I don’t have the time to say what I need to say right now so I’ll post again later.


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