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1 Rocky-in-Connecticut  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 12:05:42pm

BUT HE’S A LLLIBBERAALLL!!!!!!

</mock outrageous outrage>

2 Political Atheist  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 12:25:57pm

It’s a mistake to claim this is all about the right wing. There are creationists Democrats. according to Gallup.

I’m not denying creationism on the right. I’m saying the headline ignores a big part of the problem. the part that happens to sit on the left side of the aisle, but has refrained from big public stupidity like “evolution is a lie from hell”.

Dem partisans don’t want to hear this, sorry but lets not let partisan desires lead us away from a comprehensive solution. Added Edit-And those indy creationists too.

3 Skip Intro  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 12:32:34pm

So over half of Republicans and a third of everybody else thinks we were created as-is within the last 10,000 years, science be damned.

This civilization is doomed. Of course, that always happens eventually.

4 EPR-radar  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 12:37:37pm

The more politically significant numbers would be questions relating to support or opposition to the idea of teaching creationism/ID as science in public schools.

That’s the battle that has to be fought and won.

5 Ace-o-aces  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 12:37:41pm

In my experience, creationists get really defensive when you imply/show how uneducated they are. They seem to feel that pointing out facts and logic are somehow a personal attack.

6 EPR-radar  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 12:39:27pm

re: #5 Ace-o-aces

In my experience, creationists get really defensive when you imply/show how uneducated they are. They seem to feel that pointing out facts and logic are somehow a personal attack.

For creationists, it’s usually deliberate ignorance as opposed to simple lack of education. Defensiveness about such an attitude is only to be expected.

7 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 12:39:30pm

re: #2 Political Atheist

It’s a mistake to claim this is all about the right wing. There are creationists Democrats. according to Gallup.

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I’m not denying creationism on the right. I’m saying the headline ignores a big part of the problem. the part that happens to sit on the left side of the aisle, but has refrained from big public stupidity like “evolution is a lie from hell”.

Dem partisans don’t want to hear this, sorry but lets not let partisan desires lead us away from a comprehensive solution. Added Edit-And those indy creationists too.

Well here’s the thing and you’re right it’s not partisan but the problem is there’s only really one party that is fighting the teaching of evolution in schools. So, yeah you’re right, there’s plenty of Democratic creationists too and that stinks but the right/Republicans have been the ones fighting tooth and nail evolution being taught not the Democrats/left which I think is the real issue since more evolution taught in schools= more believers in evolution

8 palmerskiss  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 1:11:11pm

He is right of course - if you are using a cellphone you really do not have the right to claim the bible is a credible form of scientific history.

9 palmerskiss  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 1:17:06pm

btw - all of you suggesting evolution is real - you are all disloyal, unpatriotic, americans in name only (AINO’s)
rightwingwatch.org

10 Political Atheist  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 1:29:30pm

re: #7 HappyWarrior

Big picture, US Congress and big cities-You are right for sure.
Perhaps the numbers would suggest that at a local level, school boards, parish and small towns we see the creationist impulse cross political boundaries.

But here is the rub-The idea this is a right wing thing serves Dem candidates extremely well. Even those who might not fight to good fight for real science instead of creationism.

11 steve_davis  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 1:37:35pm

re: #2 Political Atheist

It’s a mistake to claim this is all about the right wing. There are creationists Democrats. according to Gallup.

[Embedded image]

I’m not denying creationism on the right. I’m saying the headline ignores a big part of the problem. the part that happens to sit on the left side of the aisle, but has refrained from big public stupidity like “evolution is a lie from hell”.

Dem partisans don’t want to hear this, sorry but lets not let partisan desires lead us away from a comprehensive solution. Added Edit-And those indy creationists too.

You know, it’s kind of a funny thing that shows the difference between republicans and democrats. republicans read genesis and see it as a story about a father punishing disobedient children and throwing them out of the house. I read Genesis and I’m struck that before God casts Man out of Eden, he makes clothes for Adam and Eve.

12 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 1:51:51pm

re: #10 Political Atheist

Big picture, US Congress and big cities-You are right for sure.
Perhaps the numbers would suggest that at a local level, school boards, parish and small towns we see the creationist impulse cross political boundaries.

But here is the rub-The idea this is a right wing thing serves Dem candidates extremely well. Even those who might not fight to good fight for real science instead of creationism.

True point that it gets more complicated when we get more local and rural, however, if the right wants to stop the perception that it’s anti-science, wouldn’t it help to nominate people who aren’t hostile to science for office? I mean we have numerous R legislators on the record of likening Darwin’s theories to anything from Nazism to Marxism and everything in between. You’re right that the Dems need to fight for science rather than just using it as a fighting point against R candidates but the R’s are doing us no favors.

13 CriticalDragon1177  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 1:56:47pm

re: #9 palmerskiss

btw - all of you suggesting evolution is real - you are all disloyal, unpatriotic, americans in name only (AINO’s)
rightwingwatch.org

Thanks for finding that for us.

14 EPR-radar  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 1:58:34pm

re: #12 HappyWarrior

True point that it gets more complicated when we get more local and rural, however, if the right wants to stop the perception that it’s anti-science, wouldn’t it help to nominate people who aren’t hostile to science for office? I mean we have numerous R legislators on the record of likening Darwin’s theories to anything from Nazism to Marxism and everything in between. You’re right that the Dems need to fight for science rather than just using it as a fighting point against R candidates but the R’s are doing us no favors.

In other words, the Democrats are more or less compromised, and the Republicans are, virtually without exception, insane/evil.

We really can’t hope to get back to a sensible two party system until the GOP is reformed to (or replaced by) a party that at least deals with reality.

No amount of local or candidate-specific backsliding by Democrats on science (or any other important issue) is as damaging as the GOP party orthodoxy of being wrong about everything.

15 sagehen  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 2:01:07pm

The best of NDT’s Colbert appearances, in which we discover that Neal DeGrasse Tyson is God.

colbertnation.com

16 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 2:03:41pm

re: #14 EPR-radar

In other words, the Democrats are more or less compromised, and the Republicans are, virtually without exception, insane/evil.

We really can’t hope to get back to a sensible two party system until the GOP is reformed to (or replaced by) a party that at least deals with reality.

No amount of local or candidate-specific backsliding by Democrats on science (or any other important issue) is as damaging as the GOP party orthodoxy of being wrong about everything.

Yeah I guess that’s my point. The fact that there are some people who suck on science in the Democratic Party doesn’t make up for the fact that the Republican Party’s platform is openly hostile to science and filled with candidates and officials who espouse anti-science rhetoric all the time.

17 CriticalDragon1177  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 2:17:14pm

re: #9 palmerskiss

By the way, I just created a new page for that story, and added a bit of my own commentary.

littlegreenfootballs.com

18 CriticalDragon1177  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 2:33:47pm

re: #15 sagehen

I saw that, it was hilarious!

19 palmerskiss  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 2:48:01pm

re: #17 CriticalDragon1177

By the way, I just created a new page for that story, and added a bit of my own commentary.

littlegreenfootballs.com

:) thank just read it :)

20 CriticalDragon1177  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 2:59:38pm

re: #19 palmerskiss

you’re welcome.

21 Ming  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 9:11:49pm

What an excellent LGF page! The original at RawStory is worth reading. It’s truly sad that creationists would hate the Cosmos series for the way it presents science as fun, beautiful, awesome, and self-consistent, each area (e.g. astronomy, biology, chemistry) always striving for consistency with every other area.

Well, if the RWNJ’s need a time-out from hating on the President, the beautiful Cosmos show will do fine as their next target.

22 CriticalDragon1177  Thu, Mar 20, 2014 9:57:40pm

re: #21 Ming

Its not really sad, its to be expected. Creationist can’t stand anything that debunks their literal interpretation of their creation stories. To creationists, if the part of their sacred text is wrong, the whole thing must be. They also can’t than justify forcing people to live the way they think their god tells them to behave.


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