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1 Skip Intro  Apr 10, 2014 11:13:59am

Alternative headline: Rand Paul calls for all Muslim pilots to be armed.

2 ThomasLite  Apr 10, 2014 11:14:14am

…right. Because having the firearms conveniently concentrated just where the visible uniforms are doesn’t make a quick, overwhelming strike easier to pull off, at all.
Air marshalls simply take the fun out of commercial air travel security, I take it?

And even if air marshalls aren’t an option (smaller flights, whatever) putting powerful weapons up there to be grabbed only leads to more chances for hijackers to escalate matters.
Really, it’s not as if the boogeymen he’s concerned with really have their own continued well-being all that high on the list of priorities anyway, is it?

Christ, I mean, I’m all for (relatively, licensed) expansive gun ownership rights etc but this is B*(%^**^. Even giving the guys who actively want to train for that such access doesn’t sound like much of an idea to me.

3 Pie-onist Overlord  Apr 10, 2014 11:16:56am
4 nines09  Apr 10, 2014 11:29:57am

re: #2 ThomasLite

Rand Paul has no ideas. He has brain farts.

5 Lidane  Apr 10, 2014 11:34:07am

Guns + a pressurized tube thousands of feet in the air? What could possibly go wrong?

6 HappyWarrior  Apr 10, 2014 11:43:24am

Just another idiotic quip by an idiot.

7 aagcobb  Apr 10, 2014 11:57:28am

re: #3 Pie-onist Overlord

Wingnut 9/11 fantasy

Because it wouldn’t occur to the terrorists to bring firearms on board if everyone could bring firearms on board.

8 HappyWarrior  Apr 10, 2014 12:09:31pm

re: #7 aagcobb

Because it wouldn’t occur to the terrorists to bring firearms on board if everyone could bring firearms on board.

Seriously.

9 XtremeDave  Apr 10, 2014 1:31:15pm

re: #3 Pie-onist Overlord

Wingnut 9/11 fantasy

How long would it take for a Wingnut to shoot the first brown skinned man who stood up to use the restroom during a flight? Would he still be acquitted if it happened in flight over Florida?

10 Skip Intro  Apr 10, 2014 1:35:48pm

New Rand Paul idea: Bring back smoking on hydrogen blimps.

11 De Kolta Chair  Apr 10, 2014 2:00:49pm

re: #7 aagcobb

Because it wouldn’t occur to the terrorists to bring firearms on board if everyone could bring firearms on board.

Why’s everybody pointing guns at those Lenny Bruce impersonators?

12 Political Atheist  Apr 10, 2014 2:09:35pm

re: #5 Lidane

Guns + a pressurized tube thousands of feet in the air? What could possibly go wrong?

All of them armed? That’s just silly. Some of them? Sounds about right to me.

Mythbuster Win!-9mm pistol bullet through window fails to cause rapid let alone explosive decompression. They wound up using explosives to get explosive decompression.
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I have zero objection to the armed pilot program. We already know they respond well to training and are highly responsible in the cockpit.

The 46 pilots have passed background checks and psychological screening. They have learned not only how to shoot, but also how to stop a hijacker from taking their gun, and how to disarm hijackers who have weapons of their own.

The training has been done in an area comparable to the size of a phone booth, in order to simulate the cockpit’s cramped quarters. Some pilots developed blisters on their trigger fingers from shooting thousands of rounds from their pistols for practice.

“We have heavy emphasis on close quarters, combat and close-quarter shooting drills,” said John Moran, a security training director for the Transportation Security Administration. “This again goes to the unique specific mission and jurisdiction. And we’ve built a program to accommodate that environment.”

Pilots will only be allowed to use their government-issued .40-caliber handguns in the cockpit. If they leave, even to go to the rest room, the gun must be locked up.

13 Skip Intro  Apr 10, 2014 3:53:52pm
In 2008, a U.S. Airways pilot’s gun accidentally discharged during a flight from Denver to Charlotte. The gun fired as the pilot — who was part of the FFDO program — was stowing the weapon, leaving a hole in the cockpit wall and an exit hole in the plane’s exterior below the cockpit window.

Well, shit happens, I guess. It’s just so unusual to read of an incident where a gun accidentally discharges. It’s like a billion to one chance.

14 Political Atheist  Apr 10, 2014 4:01:55pm

re: #13 Skip Intro

Well, shit happens, I guess. It’s just so unusual to read of an incident where a gun accidentally discharges. It’s like a billion to one chance.

What happened to the plane? Anyone hurt? Crash landing? No.

BTW the shot may well have been discharged by a really weird requirement-That a padlock be inserted in the trigger guard and engaged while the pilot leaves the cockpit to use the restroom. The untested unusual configuration safety device may well be responsible in a mechanical sense for the accident.

The “accidental discharge” Saturday aboard Flight 1536 from Denver, Colorado, to Charlotte, North Carolina, did not endanger the aircraft or the 124 passengers, two pilots and three flight attendants aboard, said Greg Alter of the Federal Air Marshal Service.

“We know that there was never any danger to the aircraft or to the occupants on board,” Alter said Monday.

15 Skip Intro  Apr 10, 2014 4:24:13pm

See, the thing is that, if your number is correct, there are 46 pilots allowed to carry, and there’s been one incident.

One in 46. What’s it going to be when 1000s of pilots are carrying?

See where I’m going here? It’s not the pilot’s job to be Marshal Dillon of the air; it’s to try to stay awake while the computer flies the airplane, just in case.

If we need armed guards on planes, there’s a service that provides that. The problem is nobody wants to pay for it, so hey, let’s just have the pilots take on one more task because it won’t cost us anything.

Sorry, but I think it’s a bad idea. A real bad idea.

16 Political Atheist  Apr 10, 2014 5:15:55pm

re: #15 Skip Intro

It’s already proven to be a workable idea. if you would care to leave our pilots and the passengers defenseless in the event of a cockpit entry that’s fine for you.

I’ll happily fly with the armed crew. Drive and walk and work around armed police, CCW folks and security guards. Completely unconcerned. When Los Angeles someday chooses to actually obey state law I too will carry on an as necessary basis.

if this were such a bad idea we would see more than this one or two incidents. Especially ironic since a poor safety rule caused the shot. Well played critics!

17 Political Atheist  Apr 10, 2014 5:30:34pm

re: #15 Skip Intro

Oh and thousands of pilots are carrying. Perhaps 9000 or more about ten percent of the 90.000 airline pilots.

Now that we see the number of pilots is a thousand times higher (or so) let’s talk about that one incident.

Skip we have a phrase for your subtitle. Ad Absurdum.

18 ausador  Apr 10, 2014 7:18:55pm

Up next from the wingnuts:

The best way to stop a bad pilot with a gun is a good co-pilot with a gun!

19 goddamnedfrank  Apr 10, 2014 9:08:59pm

re: #14 Political Atheist

What happened to the plane? Anyone hurt? Crash landing? No.

BTW the shot may well have been discharged by a really weird requirement-That a padlock be inserted in the trigger guard and engaged while the pilot leaves the cockpit to use the restroom. The untested unusual configuration safety device may well be responsible in a >mechanical sense for the accident.

This only results in a discharge if the gun is in Condition zero or two. Why would an airline pilot need to keep their gun in those conditions?

20 cinesimon  Apr 10, 2014 11:02:20pm

An accidental discharge of a gun in a plane is no biggie? Because just by chance, it didn’t hit anything critical?
Yeah that’s logical.
Not to mention the reality that despite training, it’s much more likely - as per reality - that the guns will be taken and used against the pilots. The stats would be much more obvious to everyone if the NRA hadn’t lobbied congress to ban all gun stats - but the fact is, all available evidence suggests that such a plan would be beyond stupid, and a tragedy waiting to happen.
But hey - evidence and science is apparently something we can chose to agree or disagree with now. After all: both sides do it! Scientists MUST be Marxist anti-capitalist neo-nazis anyhow!


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