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1 palmerskiss  Apr 11, 2014 4:55:13pm

how did that make it to the Atlantic? His logic is - honestly - stupid. it is ridiculous logic, badly argued, - no wonder this man is best known for trying to salvage sarah palin - yeah he failed that also.

2 EPR-radar  Apr 11, 2014 4:58:15pm

It is possible for opposition to SSM to not be rooted in bigotry.

A mindless adherence to tradition will do the job nicely.

However, as we’ve seen in the marriage cases, all of the affirmative arguments against SSM are rooted in bigoted claims about the inferiority of GLBT people in contradiction to the available evidence.

3 palmerskiss  Apr 11, 2014 5:04:03pm

re: #2 EPR-radar

It is possible for opposition to SSM to not be rooted in bigotry.

A mindless adherence to tradition will do the job nicely.

However, as we’ve seen in the marriage cases, all of the affirmative arguments against SSM are rooted in bigoted claims about the inferiority of GLBT people in contradiction to the available evidence.

tradition? what tradition - marriage is dynamic - change is the only constant.

4 EPR-radar  Apr 11, 2014 5:06:00pm

re: #3 palmerskiss

tradition? what tradition - marriage is dynamic - change is the only constant.

Very true. Perhaps I should have gone with “nostalgia for a version of the 40s and 50s in the US that never really existed” instead of “tradition”.

5 palmerskiss  Apr 11, 2014 5:10:09pm

re: #4 EPR-radar

Very true. Perhaps I should have gone with “nostalgia for a version of the 40s and 50s in the US that never really existed” instead of “tradition”.

i get your point, totally. It’s like any dogma though - “this period in history is righteous’ - which is why Amish feel it is ok to use a wheel.

however, i feel nothing is virtuous if we do not use bronze age tools. screw the caveman, he was an idiot. :D

6 Charles Johnson  Apr 11, 2014 5:27:28pm

A good description of Friedersdorf’s schtick:

7 majii  Apr 11, 2014 9:55:37pm

As a survivor of America’s Jim Crow Era, I’m calling BULLSHIT. Anytime anyone wants to deprive another human being of his/her constitutional rights, it’s a very clear example of one group trying to exert its’ authority over another. Friedersdorf is trying to pee on our legs and tell us it’s raining, and I’m not buying it. It is the case that only those who are directly oppressed by others know what it feels like. He is not the target of these haters, so what the f*ck would he know, and what gives him the authority to say that the position of those who oppose SSM isn’t mired in bigotry? It’s like the talking heads on Fox and Joe Scarborough who have been telling AG Eric Holder recently that Gohmert and others in Congress are 100% free of all traces of racism. How would they know, since they’ve never been black? It’s out-of touch b*stards like Friederdorf who don’t know what the f*ck they’re talking about who piss me off. I’m not gay, but boy, do I know what gay persons are going through, which is why I have little patience for those who attempt to justify the bigotry espoused by anyone who would deny any American his/her civil rights.

If I had the means and my way, I’d round them all up, buy them an isolated, deserted island in the Pacific, put them on a boat/plane and send them on their way. When they reached the island, they could write any f*cking laws they wanted to use to govern themselves. My guess is that it wouldn’t be too long before the tools turned on each other.

8 KerFuFFler  Apr 12, 2014 6:09:15am

Friedersderp is suggesting that opposition to same sex marriage need not be rooted in bigotry. So what if some believe it is not what their G-d wants? No one is forcing them into a gay marriage! Opposing that opportunity for people with different convictions is bigoted and religion is being used here as a mere fig leaf. When we see people suing for the right to not have to provide services (cakes, photography….) the ugly bigotry shows itself for what it is and the religion is a mere pretext.

I’m OK with people saying that same sex marriage is against their religion so they, personally, will not enter a same sex relationship. But when they think our country needs to enshrine their religious beliefs as the law for all, they have crossed the line. Since at least some Christian and Jewish denominations are willing to marry same sex couples in their traditions, how is it not government suppression of religion for the state to bar such unions?

It is very much the same with the issue of birth control. People who believe it is sinful can abstain, but forcing their religious prohibitions on others with different beliefs is not what this country is about…….I hope….


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