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1 EPR-radar  Apr 18, 2014 6:43:04pm

Once a partisan hack, always a partisan hack. Mark Kirk is supposedly less obnoxious than the true-believing wingnuts, but I don’t buy it.

Every time the GOP really wants his vote in the Senate, they have it. He is permitted to deviate from GOP orthodoxy on lesser votes as a concession to the fact the Illinois isn’t a deep red state.

2 sagehen  Apr 19, 2014 12:14:58am

I have complete faith that Israeli intelligence knows what’s what.

I’m less certain that they’ll speak the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, out loud and in public.

3 Dark_Falcon  Apr 19, 2014 4:13:31pm

Nothing wrong with Sen. Kirk’s actions. Assurances given by a liberal Democrat should be treated with suspicion (and when warranted, hostility) by Republicans. Wendy Sherman has a different way of viewing the world than Sen. Kirk and he feels her way is badly flawed (I agree with him, BTW).

Moreover, it would foolish for any Republican senator to agree with the Obama administration over the Israelis when it comes to Iran. Doing so emboldens Iran, supports an administration that has proven irresolute where Iran is concerned, and alienated that senator from him party.

Mark Kirk is right and Wendy Sherman is wrong.

4 Dark_Falcon  Apr 20, 2014 4:55:37am

re: #3 Dark_Falcon

Nothing wrong with Sen. Kirk’s actions. Assurances given by a liberal Democrat should be treated with suspicion (and when warranted, hostility) by Republicans. Wendy Sherman has a different way of viewing the world than Sen. Kirk and he feels her way is badly flawed (I agree with him, BTW).

Moreover, it would foolish for any Republican senator to agree with the Obama administration over the Israelis when it comes to Iran. Doing so emboldens Iran, supports an administration that has proven irresolute where Iran is concerned, and alienates that senator from his party.

Mark Kirk is right and Wendy Sherman is wrong.

Edited, PIMF

5 palomino  Apr 20, 2014 7:04:43am

re: #3 Dark_Falcon

Nothing wrong with Sen. Kirk’s actions. Assurances given by a liberal Democrat should be treated with suspicion (and when warranted, hostility) by Republicans. Wendy Sherman has a different way of viewing the world than Sen. Kirk and he feels her way is badly flawed (I agree with him, BTW).

Moreover, it would foolish for any Republican senator to agree with the Obama administration over the Israelis when it comes to Iran. Doing so emboldens Iran, supports an administration that has proven irresolute where Iran is concerned, and alienated that senator from him party.

Mark Kirk is right and Wendy Sherman is wrong.

What are you even talking about? Obama, Kerry, et al. have said repeatedly that the temporary deal with Iran has no better than a 50% chance of working, which means it will probably be dead in a few months. How many times do we have to say “we will not allow Iran to get nuclear weapons” before it makes you happy? Shouldn’t we at least try diplomacy before the inevitable war that you seem to desire so badly?

6 palomino  Apr 20, 2014 9:25:46am

re: #3 Dark_Falcon

Nothing wrong with Sen. Kirk’s actions. Assurances given by a liberal Democrat should be treated with suspicion (and when warranted, hostility) by Republicans. Wendy Sherman has a different way of viewing the world than Sen. Kirk and he feels her way is badly flawed (I agree with him, BTW).

Moreover, it would foolish for any Republican senator to agree with the Obama administration over the Israelis when it comes to Iran. Doing so emboldens Iran, supports an administration that has proven irresolute where Iran is concerned, and alienated that senator from him party.

Mark Kirk is right and Wendy Sherman is wrong.

So you think it’s a good idea in general for American politicians to openly support foreign countries over their own nation’s official foreign policy?

Did you feel this way when Bush was prez, or does this only apply when a Democrat you disagree with is in office?

7 Dark_Falcon  Apr 20, 2014 3:45:29pm

re: #5 palomino

What are you even talking about? Obama, Kerry, et al. have said repeatedly that the temporary deal with Iran has no better than a 50% chance of working, which means it will probably be dead in a few months. How many times do we have to say “we will not allow Iran to get nuclear weapons” before it makes you happy? Shouldn’t we at least try diplomacy before the inevitable war that you seem to desire so badly?

And Obama said the use of chemical weapons by the Assad regime in Syria would be the crossing of a “red line”, but when that line was actually crossed the Obama Administration did not put forward a plan to actually punish the Assad government for having done so. So you will please excuse me if I feel Barack Obama’s declarations regarding rouge nation’s having WMDs seem to me less than 100% credible.

8 palomino  Apr 20, 2014 10:00:04pm

re: #7 Dark_Falcon

And Obama said the use of chemical weapons by the Assad regime in Syria would be the crossing of a “red line”, but when that line was actually crossed the Obama Administration did not put forward a plan to actually punish the Assad government for having done so. So you will please excuse me if I feel Barack Obama’s declarations regarding rouge nation’s having WMDs seem to me less than 100% credible.

An interesting post. It doesn’t actually respond to anything I said. Once you started talking about red lines, you just got lost.

So anyway I guess you wanted Obama to bomb Syria? Even after both parties in Congress made it clear they opposed such measures?

OK, let’s say we did some bombing, then what? If we leave it at that, we haven’t done much and Assad probably still wins the civil war. Then the question becomes, “What was the point if such a monster is still in power?” So then we take the next step, and then eventually we’re in another Mid East quagmire.

Is it possible to accept that not every crisis around the world is a mission for Team America to solve?

And I notice you didn’t respond to my other post. Go on, give it a shot.

9 Dark_Falcon  Apr 21, 2014 8:17:53pm

re: #8 palomino

You misunderstand my views on Syria: i was in favor of action only if it would seriously damage the Assad regime and if damaging the Assad regime was in our interests. I think Obama should not have drawn that ‘red line’ in the first place.


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