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1 CriticalDragon1177  Apr 20, 2014 7:01:43pm

Sorry I can’t the link in the section of the story that I’m quoting from to work for some reason even when I use encoder / decoder. However, if you head over to original post on Raw Story it should work.

2 freetoken  Apr 20, 2014 9:19:10pm

Thanks for posting this. I had thought of writing up a big Page going over this story, what it means but more importantly what it probably doesn’t mean.

Looking at the original paper I was struck by the nature of the survey. There is a cultural blindness about science, not just by the religious atavists but also many of the self-declared progressives who express concern over this issue.

Difficult to summarize my own thoughts on this in a brief format, but we ought to distinguish between:
1) knowledge of discoveries in the science enterprise; and
2) acceptance of the socialized norm regarding what others claim.

Too often, as in this case in the survey of OK students, what is being evaluated is how well students accept what somebody wants to assert as the required norm, as far as accepting what “science” tells us. This is different than evaluating whether students can understand or conduct the work of science itself.

3 CriticalDragon1177  Apr 20, 2014 9:21:11pm

re: #2 freetoken

you’re welcome!

4 Lancelot Link  Apr 20, 2014 9:35:55pm

Unfortunately, this study will most likely be used to support vouchers for private (religious) schools.

5 CriticalDragon1177  Apr 20, 2014 10:49:14pm

re: #4 Lancelot Link

Unfortunately, this study will most likely be used to support vouchers for private (religious) schools.

You maybe correct. Although the good news is that I have already thought of one way we might be able to counter that. Point out that many of those private religious schools have even lower standards for science education than the public schools. Some of the private religious schools openly teach “scientific” creationism as “fact” for example. Something that you would have a hard time getting away with in a public school today.

6 Skip Intro  Apr 21, 2014 8:35:23am

Science for the masses will be unnecessary in the United States of Koch. Our benevolent benefactors, the Koch brothers and their successors, will tell us all we need to know about everything.

Why, as I write, they’re flooding the states with advertising and perfectly legal payoffs to politicians to warn us of the horrible dangers of solar energy as opposed to good old, safe, tried and true carbon based energy, which just coincidentally they seen to have cornered the market on. Naturally, God’s own party, the GOP, is swinging into action to block this horrible threat to our well being.

I thank our Supreme Court of Free Speech for allowing them and people like them to counter all the nonsense spewed by the evil, only in it for the money scientists and their communist tools in the media.


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