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1 Political Atheist  Apr 22, 2014 5:25:44pm

People like him are touched with grace. A true peacemaker, if the right people could just listen.

2 Charles Johnson  Apr 22, 2014 5:48:34pm

Great post CL, as usual. Clearly written, good strong personal voice, and very thought-provoking material.

3 CuriousLurker  Apr 22, 2014 6:04:31pm

re: #1 Political Atheist

People like him are touched with grace. A true peacemaker, if the right people could just listen.

Indeed, if only…

re: #2 Charles Johnson

Great post CL, as usual. Clearly written, good strong personal voice, and very thought-provoking material.

Thanks. His clarity has totally blown me away. I suspected much of what he says at an instinctive gut level, but all the noise surrounding the conflict (and my lack of contextual knowledge) made it seem overwhelming.

Now I feel like I can continue reading other books about it with a much clearer understanding and more critical eye. And now I know how to answer when someone tries to make me pick a side. ;)

4 Romantic Heretic  Apr 22, 2014 8:37:34pm

He’s right that it’s best to be pro-peace. But there is a problem, although not with that.

The problem is that too many people, on all sides of the conflict, don’t want peace. They want victory.

5 CuriousLurker  Apr 22, 2014 9:19:27pm

re: #4 Romantic Heretic

Both the Israelis & Palestinians have legitimate claims to the same piece of land and neither group is going to conveniently go away. Each side understands the other quite well on that count, despite all the bullshit framing, propaganda, and historical revisionism that flows from various factions/leaders.

That means nothing short of ethnic cleansing or one side committing genocide against the other would provide a path to “victory” in the conventional sense.

As Oz says, the choice is compromise & life or fanaticism & death. Sooner or later they are going to have to choose.

6 CuriousLurker  Apr 22, 2014 9:42:30pm

re: #5 CuriousLurker

Both the Israelis & Palestinians have legitimate claims to the same piece of land and neither group is going to conveniently go away. Each side understands the other quite well on that count, despite all the bullshit framing, propaganda, and historical revisionism that flows from various factions/leaders.

That means nothing short of ethnic cleansing or one side committing genocide against the other would provide a path to “victory” in the conventional sense.

As Oz says, the choice is compromise & life or fanaticism & death. Sooner or later they are going to have to choose.

I would add that if they choose compromise/life, then I believe both will soon flourish, however if they choose fanaticism/death, then the “victor” will likely be regarded as a global pariah, and with good reason.


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