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1 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  May 1, 2014 5:17:54am

To add to that long barrage of quotes, Sapolsky’s research shows pretty conclusively that class status matters directly to health, since being stressed out (which we are by reminders that we are not high status) increases our cortisol levels, which has all kinds of deleterious effects, including depressing our immune systems.

2 Jayleia  May 1, 2014 5:50:48am

Another incredibly well done page, thank you.

3 thecommodore  May 1, 2014 9:27:24am

OH BUT WHAT ABOUT THE DAMAGE CAUSED BY THE TYRANNY OF POLITICAL CORRECTNESS???????

4 palmerskiss  May 1, 2014 1:45:30pm

re: #1 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

To add to that long barrage of quotes, Sapolsky’s research shows pretty conclusively that class status matters directly to health, since being stressed out (which we are by reminders that we are not high status) increases our cortisol levels, which has all kinds of deleterious effects, including depressing our immune systems.

indeed. thank you for the info,

5 palmerskiss  May 1, 2014 1:45:45pm

re: #3 thecommodore

OH BUT WHAT ABOUT THE DAMAGE CAUSED BY THE TYRANNY OF POLITICAL CORRECTNESS???????

crickets?

6 palmerskiss  May 1, 2014 1:48:55pm

re: #1 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

To add to that long barrage of quotes, Sapolsky’s research shows pretty conclusively that class status matters directly to health, since being stressed out (which we are by reminders that we are not high status) increases our cortisol levels, which has all kinds of deleterious effects, including depressing our immune systems.

news.stanford.edu

what are the chances that we find in the future direct linkage of stress to pathological problems like violence and terrorism.

we focus on ideology and rarely on psychology in trying to understand terrorism, but i suspect stress related microagressions play as much a part as ideology.

7 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  May 1, 2014 5:42:17pm

re: #6 palmerskiss

news.stanford.edu

what are the chances that we find in the future direct linkage of stress to pathological problems like violence and terrorism.

About zero, unless by direct you mean indirect.

8 palmerskiss  May 1, 2014 8:29:10pm

re: #7 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

About zero, unless by direct you mean indirect.

i disagree, but I would have to research whether anyone has any work in the area of terrorism and microagression.

which i will do

9 palmerskiss  May 1, 2014 8:36:17pm

re: #7 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

About zero, unless by direct you mean indirect.

just a quick search suggests much of the work is on the effects of prejudicial microagressions and perception as a terrorist, as opposed to whether microagressions can be a direct cause of radicalization.

so more research - but is the burden here that it can be shown to cause radicalization of any terrorists (say an IRA member for example) or has to be the direct cause of radicalization of most terrorists (i.e. the direct cause of terrorism - not that i would suggest that) ?

10 palmerskiss  May 1, 2014 8:41:10pm

this, while it does not mention ‘microagressions’ by name - does at least suggest it in spirit -
apa.org

The lure of terror
For years, psychologists examined terrorists’ individual characteristics, mining for clues that could explain their willingness to engage in violence. While researchers now agree that most terrorists are not “pathological” in any traditional sense, several important insights have been gleaned though interviews with some 60 former terrorists conducted by psychologist John Horgan, PhD, who directs the Pennsylvania State University’s International Center for the Study of Terrorism.
Horgan found that people who are more open to terrorist recruitment and radicalization tend to:
Feel angry, alienated or disenfranchised. Believe that their current political involvement does not give them the power to effect real change. Identify with perceived victims of the social injustice they are fighting. Feel the need to take action rather than just talking about the problem. Believe that engaging in violence against the state is not immoral. Have friends or family sympathetic to the cause. Believe that joining a movement offers social and psychological rewards such as adventure, camaraderie and a heightened sense of identity.

11 palmerskiss  May 1, 2014 8:47:01pm

wesscholar.wesleyan.edu

Pierce, C. (1995). Stress analogs of racism and sexism: Terrorism, torture, and
disaster. In C. Willie, P. Rieker, B. Kramer, & B. Brown (Eds.), Mental
health, racism, and sexism (pp. 277-293). Pittsburgh: University of Pittsburgh
Press.

that study, and that source used in the study (which i need to read) are pointing in the direction of linkage but the dissertation does not expressly state a direct link.

12 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  May 2, 2014 3:35:08am

re: #8 palmerskiss

i disagree, but I would have to research whether anyone has any work in the area of terrorism and microagression.

which i will do

What you’re talking about is still indirect effects, though, and you only mean that it can ‘cause’ it if a host of other conditions are in effect.

In addition, you quotes an article explicitly saying that terrorism isn’t considered a pathology in support of your argument wherein terrorism is a pathological problem.

13 palmerskiss  May 2, 2014 11:58:09am

re: #12 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

What you’re talking about is still indirect effects, though, and you only mean that it can ‘cause’ it if a host of other conditions are in effect.

In addition, you quotes an article explicitly saying that terrorism isn’t considered a pathology in support of your argument wherein terrorism is a pathological problem.

they did outline a suggestion that terrorism is a pathology.

Pathological Terrorism

This describes the use of terrorism by individuals who utilize such strategies for the sheer joy of terrorizing others. Pathological terrorists often operate alone rather in groups like the others on this list and often are not true ‘terrorists’ as they lack any well-defined political motive.

Examples: Pathological terrorism is most commonly seen in school shootings and serial killing scenarios. The shootings at Columbine High School and of Congresswoman Gabby Giffords all serve as examples of pathological terrorism since those who carried them out sought to use violence to terrorize for their own pleasure.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The pathology of terrorism. Acts of violence directed against citizens of the United States while abroad.
Clark MA.
Author information
Abstract
Acts of terrorism resulting in serious injury and death have become a daily occurrence in the late 1990s. Forensic pathologists play a key role in the investigation and eventual prosecution of such cases. Meticulous attention to injuries as well as photographic documentation of findings along with the recognition and recovery of trace evidence are critical parts of the autopsy on the victims of terrorist violence. Specific cases of terrorist events from the period of 1985-1007 are presented along with a detailed explanation of explosion-related injuries.
PMID: 9523067 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

14 palmerskiss  May 2, 2014 11:59:46am

i found quite a lot of evidence suggesting microagressions are considered a cause for school shootings, which would meet the burden of “violence” i outlined earlier - fair or not?

15 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  May 2, 2014 12:04:33pm

re: #13 palmerskiss

You are citing something clearly saying that most terrorism is not pathological in support of an argument that terrorism is pathological. Please, take a minute and accept the ramifications that most terrorism is not pathological.

re: #14 palmerskiss

i found quite a lot of evidence suggesting microagressions are considered a cause for school shootings, which would meet the burden of “violence” i outlined earlier - fair or not?

Indirect cause. Not direct.

16 palmerskiss  May 2, 2014 12:08:38pm

refining this

17 palmerskiss  May 2, 2014 12:11:10pm

re: #15 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

You are citing something clearly saying that most terrorism is not pathological in support of an argument that terrorism is pathological. Please, take a minute and accept the ramifications that most terrorism is not pathological.

Indirect cause. Not direct.

depends on what you consider terrorism seems to be what i am finding - i’ll agree with you on indirect, if you’ll admit microagressions do play a role in violent acts.

18 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  May 2, 2014 1:20:04pm

re: #17 palmerskiss

depends on what you consider terrorism seems to be what i am finding - i’ll agree with you on indirect, if you’ll admit microagressions do play a role in violent acts.

There is not enough data to conclude that, no. To put it another way: do you think that people who enact microagressions against others are more or less likely to be violent than those who have microaggressions acted on them?

19 palmerskiss  May 2, 2014 1:53:29pm

re: #18 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

There is not enough data to conclude that, no. To put it another way: do you think that people who enact microagressions against others are more or less likely to be violent than those who have microaggressions acted on them?

no - but i do think that certain people process those microagressions differently, and in certain people it can manifest violent solutions to perceived slights and oppression.

and the literature is not far off that.


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