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1 Decatur Deb  May 12, 2014 5:52:40am

It was a riot when our Italian neighbor visited here and we took him to the local flea market. He thought we were a bunch of paranoid bush-dwellers, even though he has a weird blunderbuss bird gun back home.

And yes, it’s complex and not going to be resolved by liberal electoral suicide missions. I think there are too many guns in the wrong hands, but the Dems just need to shut up about it for a hundred years or so. Tiny funerals bring families together.

2 Randall Gross  May 12, 2014 7:29:17am

Excellent report here that covers the vagaries and gaps in reporting on gun ownership, licensing differences, homicide, suicide, and accidental death rates.

While there are pockets and nested exceptions (just like for every general rule,) that both sides of the issue will use to bolster their arguments, overall more guns does = more homicides. More guns also probably = more successful suicides, and more accidental gun deaths. It’s true that some areas where guns are numerous there are low death rates compared to other places in the US but you can’t deny the reality of the overall numbers. It’s still not a simple problem however, somewhere there’s a good model for gun ownership, and we ought to be moving towards that instead of digging in our heels in an insane winner take all tug of war that gets us current policies.

3 Rightwingconspirator  May 12, 2014 8:42:59am

re: #2 Randall Gross

somewhere there’s a good model for gun ownership, and we ought to be moving towards that instead of digging in our heels in an insane winner take all tug of war that gets us current policies.

Perhaps the “thorough version” process for CCW applications if expanded to home gun ownership would help. Same linked study as I referred to yesterday in discussion with Obdicut. Rates of crimes by Texas CCW holders are way lower than the general population.


4 Rightwingconspirator  May 12, 2014 9:09:30am

re: #2 Randall Gross

And the opposite view from VPC, kinda wishing they had included how many permits / people were in the group from which the numbers were derived. It’s a big freaking number.

No comprehensive data exists on non-self defense killings by private citizens legally allowed to carry concealed handguns. Concealed Carry Killers offers examples from May 2007 to the present of such incidents, which are taken from news reports and the limited state data available. These examples are only an unknown fraction of the unreported number of similar incidents that routinely occur across the nation.

Currently, Concealed Carry Killers documents 475 incidents in 36 states and the District of Columbia resulting in 636 deaths. In 83 percent of the incidents (395) the concealed carry killer committed suicide (189), has already been convicted (153), perpetrated a murder-suicide (39), or was killed in the incident (14). Of the 65 cases still pending, the vast majority (55) of concealed carry killers have been charged with criminal homicide, four were deemed incompetent to stand trial, and six incidents are still under investigation. An additional 15 incidents were fatal unintentional shootings involving the gun of the concealed handgun permit holder. At least 14 of the victims were law enforcement officers. Twenty-seven of the incidents were mass shootings, resulting in the deaths of 128 victims.

5 palmerskiss  May 12, 2014 1:01:21pm

thank you for this page - great page -it segues nicely into my page today - also on gun control -

hopefully not as ‘safe’ and ‘down the middle’ as this article.

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