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1 EPR-radar  May 14, 2014 5:34:55pm

Scientific racism is a blight that just won’t go away. Disappointing.

2 wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window  May 14, 2014 7:51:55pm

If Wade is using Jews as an example, he’s already muddied the waters of what “race” is, which from a scientific standpoint undermines his whole thesis.

Race as a concept is about as predictive as hair color. Genetic research already contradicts what most people consider as race. We’re all descended from Africans, for instance. Anthropology supports cultural influences, and now there is a hypothesis that the differences in growing rice and wheat fostered cultural differences between East and West.

I haven’t read Wade’s book, and I doubt I will bother. It’s another addition to the hooey that been around for the last two centuries or more.

3 Katie1989  May 15, 2014 2:06:51pm

A roundup of the reviews of Nicholas Wade’s book is at:

occamsrazormag.wordpress.com

The Cultural Marxists hate this book.

4 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 15, 2014 2:14:12pm

“Cultural Marxists”
bwahahahaaa

5 Decatur Deb  May 15, 2014 2:16:34pm

re: #4 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Cultural Marxists”
bwahahahaaa

“To each according to his taste, from each according to his aesthetic.”

6 EPR-radar  May 15, 2014 2:18:31pm

re: #3 Katie1989

A roundup of the reviews of Nicholas Wade’s book is at:

occamsrazormag.wordpress.com

The Cultural Marxists hate this book.

FYI, lots of people despise scientific racism without necessarily being “cultural Marxists”, whatever that may be.

From what I’ve seen so far, Wade’s book is a collection of racist just-so stories consisting of sprinkling a bit of ‘natural selection’ pixie dust on racist preconceptions in hopes that the resulting logical and scientific mess will somehow be more publicly acceptable than bare racism.

May this project fail.

7 Sergey Romanov  May 15, 2014 2:18:52pm

re: #3 Katie1989

A roundup of the reviews of Nicholas Wade’s book is at:

occamsrazormag.wordpress.com

The Cultural Marxists hate this book.

Why are you using Breivik’s term?

8 Katie1989  May 15, 2014 2:21:33pm

You realize that “culturalism” (that only culture matters, not heriditary / race) was popularized by Marxists Franz Boas, Richard Lewontin, and Stephen Jay Gould. That’s why they’re called Cultural Marxists.

9 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 15, 2014 2:23:23pm

oh good grief

10 Decatur Deb  May 15, 2014 2:23:49pm

re: #8 Katie1989

Did you know that Franz Boas and Ruth Benedict collected hundreds of Northwest Coast Indian recipes for blueberry pie?

Mmmm, pie.

11 Sergey Romanov  May 15, 2014 2:24:06pm

re: #8 Katie1989

You realize that “culturalism” (that only culture matters, not heriditary / race) was popularized by Marxists Franz Boas, Richard Lewontin, and Stephen Jay Gould. That’s why they’re called Cultural Marxists.

Yes, that’s what Breivik wrote.

PS: you forgot to add “Jews”.

12 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 15, 2014 2:26:01pm

Stephen Jay Gould’s father was a Marxist, but he himself was not. And he said so many times.

13 EPR-radar  May 15, 2014 2:51:02pm

re: #12 Backwoods_Sleuth

Stephen Jay Gould’s father was a Marxist, but he himself was not. And he said so many times.

But Stephen Jay Gould was a liberal!! Therefore he was a Marxist. QED.

14 dog philosopher  May 15, 2014 2:51:03pm

re: #8 Katie1989

You realize that “culturalism” (that only culture matters, not heriditary / race) was popularized by Marxists Franz Boas, Richard Lewontin, and Stephen Jay Gould. That’s why they’re called Cultural Marxists.

the political, economic, and social principles and policies advocated by Marx; especially : a theory and practice of socialism including the labor theory of value, dialectical materialism, the class struggle, and dictatorship of the proletariat until the establishment of a classless society

it really annoys me when ignorant people like yourself decide to re-define words as you please

15 dog philosopher  May 15, 2014 2:51:51pm

re: #8 Katie1989

You realize that “culturalism” (that only culture matters, not heriditary / race) was popularized by Marxists Franz Boas, Richard Lewontin, and Stephen Jay Gould. That’s why they’re called Cultural Marxists.

that’s why i call you a ‘pretentious racist’

16 EPR-radar  May 15, 2014 2:55:00pm

re: #14 dog philosopher

the political, economic, and social principles and policies advocated by Marx; especially : a theory and practice of socialism including the labor theory of value, dialectical materialism, the class struggle, and dictatorship of the proletariat until the establishment of a classless society

it really annoys me when ignorant people like yourself decide to re-define words as you please

Not so incidentally, we could use a bit more of the labor theory of value in the US, and an acknowledgement that class struggle is real and the plutocrats are presently winning the class war.

However, dictatorship of the proletariat can be consigned to the list of history’s all-time failures, and dialectical materialism seems useless.

So the verdict for Marx is a mixed bag, as usual.

17 wrenchwench  May 15, 2014 2:56:33pm

re: #8 Katie1989

You realize that “culturalism” (that only culture matters, not heriditary / race) was popularized by Marxists Franz Boas, Richard Lewontin, and Stephen Jay Gould. That’s why they’re called Cultural Marxists.

You spell like a white man.

18 dog philosopher  May 15, 2014 3:03:19pm

re: #16 EPR-radar

Not so incidentally, we could use a bit more of the labor theory of value in the US, and an acknowledgement that class struggle is real and the plutocrats are presently winning the class war.

However, dictatorship of the proletariat can be consigned to the list of history’s all-time failures, and dialectical materialism seems useless.

So the verdict for Marx is a mixed bag, as usual.

i think some of his discussions of social and economic issues are interesting, but he himself was rather vague on solutions - he thought the actual definition and practice of ‘communism’ should be left to the workers who would be running things if society ever broke through the socialism stage and achieved the vague and rather mythical state of actual ‘communism’…

and here’s where push really comes to shove - wingnuts consistently ignore the difference between socialism and communism, and for that matter don’t even know what socialism is, preferring instead to define it as any government that collects taxes and distributes social welfare benefits from them

which would of course define just about any government that ever existed

socialism, in actual fact as practiced by the soviet union and china, is a government where the major industries, or just about all economic activity, is owned and operated by the goverment

dictionary definition, and fact

the thing is, no matter how much wingnuts would like us to believe in that, in actual fact it’s nearly impossible to find an actual liberal or progressive who believes in anything like that

but when did accuracy, truth, and words with actual meanings ever get in the way of what a wingnut wants to believe?

19 EPR-radar  May 15, 2014 3:04:05pm

re: #8 Katie1989

Please explain how the following drivel isn’t completely and totally racist.

Alternatively, please show how this is not a fair summary of the book’s content.

If you can’t do either of these things, then I recommend you quit while you are behind.

So, for instance, Wade imputes the high achievement to the Jews to selection that operated on “our” (since I’m a cultural Jew) ancestors, the high achievement of Western societies to diffusion of “smart” genes from the upper classes to lower ones, and so on. He gives related “natural selection” arguments for the dysfunctionality of African societies compared to those of Europe, and why Asian populations never produced the technical innovations of the West.

20 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 15, 2014 3:05:37pm

re: #12 Backwoods_Sleuth

Stephen Jay Gould’s father was a Marxist, but he himself was not. And he said so many times.

Oh, wait…
I guess his father being Marxist PROVES “heriditary” wins out over culture.
And Stephen Jay Gould was so good at being a “heriditary” Marxist he could completely meld that into cultural stuffs.

good to know…

21 EPR-radar  May 15, 2014 3:05:59pm

re: #18 dog philosopher

Good points. I think some northern European nations identify as socialist without total state ownership of everything, so I think a distinction can be made between more and less complete forms of socialism.

22 dog philosopher  May 15, 2014 3:12:12pm

re: #21 EPR-radar

Good points. I think some northern European nations identify as socialist without total state ownership of everything, so I think a distinction can be made between more and less complete forms of socialism.

it seems that in about the WWI era many socialist politicians became heads of governments in western europe

they couldn’t and didn’t want to put actual socialist state ownership of industries into place, so they settled for ameliorative social welfare programs, even though many of them didn’t want to give up the party label

of course in this country it was really teddy roosevelt who was the biggest practitioner of these kinds of policies. and he ran as a ‘progressive’ in 1912

i would say that ‘progressive’ or ‘social democrat’ are the best labels for the policies you see nowadays in western europe…

23 dog philosopher  May 15, 2014 3:14:46pm

re: #8 Katie1989

care to reply and engage in debate, or is this just a dump-and-run?

24 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 15, 2014 3:18:23pm

re: #23 dog philosopher

care to reply and engage in debate, or is this just a dump-and-run?

Katie is busy looking for counter-arguments.

25 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  May 15, 2014 3:19:04pm

re: #10 Decatur Deb

Did you know that Franz Boas and Ruth Benedict collected hundreds of Northwest Coast Indian recipes for blueberry pie?

Mmmm, pie.

Did you know that Nostradamus was an excellent jam maker, and his recipe for cherry jam is considered a classic that is hard to improve on?

26 dog philosopher  May 15, 2014 3:20:51pm

re: #24 Backwoods_Sleuth

Katie is busy looking for counter-arguments.

i specialize in under the counter arguments mself yanno

27 EPR-radar  May 15, 2014 3:21:46pm

re: #24 Backwoods_Sleuth

Katie is busy looking for counter-arguments.

That’s a royal road straight to the sewers of the internet, like Stormfront and VDARE.

28 dog philosopher  May 15, 2014 3:25:04pm

of course, many people these days will accept a definition whereby anything that’s run by government can be described as ‘socialized’, hence canada has ‘socialized health insurance’

but since actual socialist theory states that workers will continue to be exploited and powerless as long as private industry exists, i’d say that a partially ‘socialized’ economy doesn’t make a country a socialist state - not by a long shot

29 dog philosopher  May 15, 2014 3:25:57pm

re: #27 EPR-radar

That’s a royal road straight to the sewers of the internet, like Stormfront and VDARE.

i’m sure she’s decided that we are just lumpen untermenschen who are not worthy of her exalted attention

30 EPR-radar  May 15, 2014 3:30:04pm

re: #29 dog philosopher

i’m sure she’s decided that we are just lumpen untermenschen who are not worthy of her exalted attention

Or she could be spreading this warm and happy message of biological determinism in friendlier parts of the internet, like National Review Online.

31 Decatur Deb  May 15, 2014 3:35:02pm

re: #25 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Did you know that Nostradamus was an excellent jam maker, and his recipe for cherry jam is considered a classic that is hard to improve on?

I think that was Nostradamson.

allrecipes.com

32 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  May 15, 2014 3:42:49pm

re: #31 Decatur Deb

fxcuisine.com

33 Decatur Deb  May 15, 2014 3:49:07pm

re: #32 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

fxcuisine.com

He had the stones for it.

34 wrenchwench  May 15, 2014 3:57:45pm

re: #3 Katie1989

Where are my manners?!?

Greetings, hatchling.

35 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 15, 2014 3:59:54pm

Katie is just waiting until everyone leaves…

36 Backwoods_Sleuth  May 15, 2014 4:00:48pm

re: #34 wrenchwench

Where are my manners?!?

Greetings, hatchling.

That’s what happens when someone comes into a room chock full of Cultural Marxists.
Our manners just fly outta the window.

37 Blue Fielder  May 15, 2014 4:08:21pm

re: #3 Katie1989
cultural Marxists

I’ll take “Phrases That Should Get You Laughed Out Of Polite Society” for $1000 Alex.

38 dog philosopher  May 15, 2014 4:13:36pm

re: #37 Blue Fielder

cultural Marxists

looking into the phrase, it seems that ‘cultural marxism’ has very little to do with the nature/nurture debate

Cultural Marxism refers to a school or offshoot of Marxism that conceives of culture as central to the legitimation of oppression

so i t’ink somboddy is confused, mon

39 EPR-radar  May 15, 2014 4:16:58pm

re: #38 dog philosopher

looking into the phrase, it seems that ‘cultural marxism’ has very little to do with the nature/nurture debate

Cultural Marxism refers to a school or offshoot of Marxism that conceives of culture as central to the legitimation of oppression

so i t’ink somboddy is confused, mon

Scientific racists tend to use the trappings of science to obscure the basic stupidity and ignorance of their positions. So incoherence about everything else is only to be expected.

40 EPR-radar  May 15, 2014 4:21:17pm

re: #23 dog philosopher

care to reply and engage in debate, or is this just a dump-and-run?

Brave Sir Robin ran away.
Bravely ran away away.
When danger reared it’s ugly head,
He bravely turned his tail and fled.
Yes, brave Sir Robin turned about
And gallantly he chickened out.

41 Decatur Deb  May 15, 2014 4:54:21pm

re: #34 wrenchwench

Where are my manners?!?

Greetings, hatchling.

Ah do declare!


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