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1 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 22, 2014 10:07:54am

Anyone who can’t believe that emails can actually get lost is a moron. Ryan’s assertion of a coverup is stupid as fuck, the default GOP position. If the policy at the IRS needs to be changed, then work on changing the damn policy instead of ranting about it.

It’s barely an article.

2 Ryan King  Jun 22, 2014 11:43:39am

What’s ultimately funny is the end result of the supposed ‘targeting’ by the evil IRS: the victims of the IRS are deep pocket PACs that may have to pay taxes on their funds.

That’s it.

3 Dark_Falcon  Jun 22, 2014 1:21:20pm

re: #1 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Three points:

1. Those emails might well have helped determine how IRS policy needs to be changed.

2. Reform of IRS policy by Congress isn’t currently likely because of the general tax reform logjam, which is being caused by fundamental differences between Democrats and Republicans.

3. Outrage against the IRS typically sells fairly well with the American public, especially more conservative people. Paul Ryan is tapping into that sentiment in order to keep GOP voters motivated and to force Democrats to stand as defenders of a disliked government agency,

4 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jun 22, 2014 1:25:50pm

re: #3 Dark_Falcon

2. Reform of IRS policy by Congress isn’t currently likely because of the general tax reform logjam, which is being caused by fundamental differences between Democrats and Republicans.

3. Outrage against the IRS typically sells fairly well with the American public, especially more conservative people. Paul Ryan is tapping into that sentiment in order to keep GOP voters motivated and to force Democrats to stand as defenders of a disliked government agency,

2. tax reform logjam is because nobody wants to give up their deductions. It’s complicated because a LOT of people like it complicated.

3. See #2.

5 Dark_Falcon  Jun 22, 2014 4:44:08pm

re: #4 Rev_Arthur_Belling

2. tax reform logjam is because nobody wants to give up their deductions. It’s complicated because a LOT of people like it complicated.

3. See #2.

Number 3 really isn’t an outgrowth of #2, though it is influenced by it. Number 5 is really about a suspicion of government endemic in America society. Its influence waxes and wanes, but it was present when America was born and has never gone away completely.

6 Keep Texas Prisons Rapey!1!1!1!!!  Jun 22, 2014 5:17:01pm

I don’t know anyone who likes to pay taxes, including democrats. For some reason a lot of conservatives today think Democrats do (?)
I also don’t know of anyone who likes how the IRS has always been run. But Taxes are necessary! I repeat, taxes are necessary!
What the conservatives I know are proposing, is doing away with it! What?
Yeah, just leave it there, don’t follow that remedy to its ultimate conclusion.
I don’t agree with people whos initial reaction to something not working smoothly is “Do away with it!1!!1!1”
Why not try to make it better?
Paul Ryan, if given the chance, would privatize everything. These weirdo’s (not you DF!) think private companies are run better and have less bureaucracy! Really?

7 PeterWolf  Jun 23, 2014 6:28:52am

Paul Ryan is just a loud mouthed dick. And he is prone to lying as we know. He actually looked like some smarmy little bully, powerless without his seat so needs to compensate.

8 majii  Jun 23, 2014 4:18:44pm

The missing Lerner emails the republicans are trying to turn into a scandal went missing in 2011 due to Lerner’s computer crashing—before they began their IRS “investigation.” This is just more political theatrics on the part of Ryan and his buddies to motivate their base to turn out for the midterm elections.

I’m a retired teacher, and I remember our computer system at the school crashing quite often, and I also remember that sometimes it happened right before report cards were to be printed. We had to use our grade books to restore as many grades to the computer as we could. The lost grades in the computer were rarely recovered. Also, the keyboard on my HP laptop stopped working a couple months ago, and I lost all of the files I had on my computer when the tech showed up and replaced my keyboard. He could not recover the lost information and had to go through the process of re-registering my laptop. When one uses a computer, it’s not guaranteed that something won’t happen to it. Shit happens and sometimes there’s nothing we can do about it.

Behaving like a nut when bad things happen aren’t a sign of a mature individual, it’s a sign of a bad actor acting out a poorly written scene, which is exactly what republicans are doing in regard to the missing Lerner emails. A few short years ago when millions of Bush administration emails went missing, republicans were asking that democrats NOT make a big deal of it. Their fake outrage about the missing Lerner emails tells me all I need to know about these hypocrites. A mature individual doesn’t seek to inflame other over things s/he knows happen fairly often, like a computer crashing.

9 subterraneanhomesickalien  Jun 23, 2014 9:51:04pm

Yeah that’s some epic pwnage there DF.////

10 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 24, 2014 9:22:28am

re: #3 Dark_Falcon

3. Outrage against the IRS typically sells fairly well with the American public, especially more conservative people. Paul Ryan is tapping into that sentiment in order to keep GOP voters motivated and to force Democrats to stand as defenders of a disliked government agency,

Yes. The GOP, anarchists that they are, are attacking one of the most fundamental aspects of government: taxation. They are nearing the absolute libertarian position that all taxation is theft.

11 lgfchuckwagon  Jun 24, 2014 2:59:45pm

Hi Charles,
I remember when you proved that Dan Rather’s letter, regarding George Bushes service record, was faked. You showed that the font used in the letter didn’t even exist at the time the letter was dated. I’ll bet a lot of folks, including LGF’ers aren’t even aware that you were responsible for getting to the truth in that matter. Are you in a position to determine the truth about what happened to the missing Lois Lerner e-mails? And secondarily, could you figure out what the contents for said e-mail are? Wouldn’t that be the best way to quell the excitement in this matter?
Best Regards chuckwagon

12 wrenchwench  Jun 24, 2014 3:02:54pm

re: #11 lgfchuckwagon

Greetings, hatchling.

13 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 24, 2014 4:27:56pm

did chuckwagon bring food?
I don’t see any tasty fuds…

14 lgfchuckwagon  Jun 24, 2014 5:43:47pm

re: #13 Backwoods_Sleuth

I was going for a taste of nostalgia, guess i missed the mark! :(

15 Mich-again  Jun 24, 2014 7:34:16pm

The real IRS scandal is that they continue to allow blatantly political organizations like ALEC to claim 501c3 tax-exempt charitable organization status. ALEC has the same tax status as a church.
ALEC’s tax ID # is 52-0140979.

16 Shvaughn  Jun 24, 2014 8:12:53pm
Paul Ryan Just Hammered the IRS
Almost everyone thinks the agency deserves it.

It sounds so sexual when you put it that way. Did you mean to be extra creepy, DF?

17 teleskiguy  Jun 24, 2014 8:18:09pm

Hey d’ere lgfchuckwagon! Yer funny!

18 Blue Fielder  Jun 24, 2014 8:34:23pm

re: #16 Shvaughn

Like a dog that can’t stop farting, he just does it.

19 lostlakehiker  Jun 24, 2014 8:41:59pm

re: #1 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

Anyone who can’t believe that emails can actually get lost is a moron. Ryan’s assertion of a coverup is stupid as fuck, the default GOP position. If the policy at the IRS needs to be changed, then work on changing the damn policy instead of ranting about it.

It’s barely an article.

All seven hard drives crashed? What are the odds? And anyone who finds this improbable is a moron? Really!

20 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 25, 2014 3:54:24am

re: #19 lostlakehiker

All seven hard drives crashed? What are the odds? And anyone who finds this improbable is a moron? Really!

What ‘seven’ hard drives?

21 Dark_Falcon  Jun 25, 2014 6:49:17am

re: #16 Shvaughn

It sounds so sexual when you put it that way. Did you mean to be extra creepy, DF?

It’s the title of the article this Page Links to, so credit for it belongs to John Dickerson. And frankly, I cannot understand how you could see that title as you do.

22 Ryan King  Jun 25, 2014 7:28:27am

re: #20 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut

What ‘seven’ hard drives?

The Grassy Knoll Hardrives… how deep does this conspiracy go?

23 palomino  Jun 25, 2014 7:55:09am

What everyone seems to be ignoring is that Ryan is a grandstanding douchebag. How courageous of him to attack the IRS, the least liked govt agency since the day it was created.

24 lawhawk  Jun 25, 2014 12:06:51pm

Let’s take a nonexistent scandal that the IRS was looking at political entities seeking nonprofit status and that the IRS used improper queries to sort through the multitude of entities seeking nonprofit status under 501(c)(4).

Sounds like a huge scandal right? Well, when you drill down to what the IG report actually determined, Tea Party groups weren’t targeted. All political sounding entities were. The TP entities were a fraction of the total sorted for additional scrutiny.

The reason for the “cheat”? Because the IRS lacks funds and resources to look over every single applicant, they have to sort them in some fashion to make sure that they’re getting a good read on the entities seeking nonprofit status. Turns out that the IG (that would be the internal IRS watchdog, not Congress) found that the terms were not sufficiently nonpartisan enough.

They didn’t find that the TP was targeted though. Because the report found that the TP was only a fraction of the total, and entities weren’t kept from getting the status in any event (which in a just world would have been reason to keep them from nonprofit status).

But the reason that the IRS has to go through this whole kabuki play is because Congress, 1) refuses to fix the underlying law that allows entities to engage in political activities while acting as a nonprofit; and 2) doesn’t provide sufficient funds to administer the law.

Congress, and in particular the GOP, wont do either because it suits them to maintain the status quo and use the IRS as a punching bag.

25 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jun 26, 2014 2:44:58am

re: #19 lostlakehiker

All seven hard drives crashed? What are the odds? And anyone who finds this improbable is a moron? Really!

Hey, again, what seven hard drives? Why seven? Seven’s a nice number, but where did you get it from?


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