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1 Charles Johnson  Jul 26, 2014 7:28:48pm
2 Charles Johnson  Jul 26, 2014 7:29:22pm

Weren’t we just discussing the fact that people express opinions without reading the post?

Sigh.

3 Charles Johnson  Jul 26, 2014 7:31:03pm
4 Charles Johnson  Jul 26, 2014 7:31:38pm

Arrggh.

5 CuriousLurker  Jul 26, 2014 7:32:11pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

Weren’t we just discussing the fact that people express opinions without reading the post?

Sigh.

Dang, the middle of the night and it didn’t even take an hour. *facepalm*

6 CuriousLurker  Jul 26, 2014 7:35:19pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

Arrggh.

There goes your night. Sorry!

7 Charles Johnson  Jul 26, 2014 7:38:26pm
8 Charles Johnson  Jul 26, 2014 7:42:21pm

I give up. Can’t deal with this tonight.

9 CuriousLurker  Jul 26, 2014 7:43:18pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

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I give up. Can’t deal with this tonight.

Gah! I just now looked at the whole conversation you had with her. Oy.

10 Rightwingconspirator  Jul 26, 2014 8:35:09pm

The whole idea is just unfathomable to me. Shine the light of reason, science and health.

11 PhillyPretzel  Jul 26, 2014 9:00:57pm

re: #10 Rightwingconspirator

That is the last thing they want to do. They are “pumping up” the fear.

12 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 27, 2014 12:40:56am

Great job, CL!

I googled recently and found dozens of various articles (including those by alleged feminists) that defend FGM using leftist jargon, saying that the opposition to it is “cultural imperialism”. Ugh.

13 Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut  Jul 27, 2014 2:26:34am

re: #12 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

There’s a strong (but mistaken) belief that because women are mostly enforcers of the practice that it is not actually a patriarchal tradition, that in some way it is a resistance to the patriarchy. This falls apart very quickly when you actually examine how FGM happens, but there’s a kind of simplistic approach that ignores the roles that women play in supporting the patriarchy.

To me, the interesting argument is whether it is better to simply attempt to stamp out the practice as abusive towards women or whether, like on particular doctor, it’s better to try to transform it into a symbolic ritual where the labia is just nicked, so that the ceremony can largely remain intact, the cultural connection will be there.

nytimes.com

14 FemNaziBitch  Jul 27, 2014 6:22:47am
15 CuriousLurker  Jul 27, 2014 6:28:05am

re: #12 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Great job, CL!

I googled recently and found dozens of various articles (including those by alleged feminists) that defend FGM using leftist jargon, saying that the opposition to it is “cultural imperialism”. Ugh.

Thanks!

There’s an incredible amount of ideologically slanted and/or just plain wrong info about FGM out there. The shock & horror most people experience upon hearing about it for the first time also makes a deep impression on many, IMO.

Add to that the intentional misinformation put out there by demagogues & the confirmation bias that none of us are totally free of, and you have a real mess. People hear the term “FGM” and an odd sort of mental short circuit seems to immediately kick in, making rational discussion of the subject well-nigh impossible (kinda like the I-P thing, now that I think of it).

16 EmmaAnne  Jul 27, 2014 7:54:13am

Thanks so much for this, CL. I thought I knew quite a bit about FGM, but even though I knew most Muslims wanted nothing to do with it I had somehow absorbed the idea that it was part of some strains of the religion. I suppose because of what the Muslim Women’s League article points out:

For the general public, with only limited exposure to Muslims and Islam, the natural conclusion would be that the practice of FGM must somehow be part of the faith, since those who seem to be the most religious are the most ardent supporters. Unfortunately , this simply represents how the sexuality of women is used, under whatever philosophy or world-view, to perpetuate their subjugation.

mwlusa.org

17 CuriousLurker  Jul 27, 2014 10:02:50am

re: #16 EmmaAnne

Thanks so much for this, CL. I thought I knew quite a bit about FGM, but even though I knew most Muslims wanted nothing to do with it I had somehow absorbed the idea that it was part of some strains of the religion. I suppose because of what the Muslim Women’s League article points out:

mwlusa.org

You’re welcome. I’m really glad to know you found something among the links that helped clarify things for you—it makes the effort worth it. ;)

18 Donna Ballard  Jul 28, 2014 7:27:49am

Well done CL! When I first heard of FGM I was nauseated and horrified beyond belief! I had nightmares for months and quite frankly I find it a crime against humanity to mutilate anyone’s genitalia, male or female! Can you imagine the cry of condemnation if it was being done to young boys? Gaugh!

19 Self Respecting Woman Voter Against the GOP  Jul 28, 2014 7:52:34am

re: #18 Donna Ballard

Well done CL! When I first heard of FGM I was nauseated and horrified beyond belief! I had nightmares for months and quite frankly I find it a crime against humanity to mutilate anyone’s genitalia, male or female! Can you imagine the cry of condemnation if it was being done to young boys? Gaugh!

I had an argument with a guy just this past week. He claimed that male circumcision was just the same as FGM. I posted photos. He shut up.

20 wrenchwench  Jul 28, 2014 9:18:21am
debunked before lunch

Could be the LGF house band.


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