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1 1Peter G1  Aug 6, 2014 10:09:48am

I’m sorry you have no case. That is you have failed to prove that it is counter productive. That is not the opposite of productive. You are asserting that it is in fact harmful. Which you have not proven. The fact that these movies are not being made is this particular jurisdiction does not mean they are not being made at all. In fact they probably are, ten feet over the jurisdictional line. That line is not the state line it is the county line. So no, there is no evidence that this in any way harms the industry in California and therefore isn’t a valid argument against local regulation. There is no reason to suppose or believe the industry (have to call it something I suppose) is better off concentrated in one county vs across other counties in the state. You could argue that the law was not terribly productive but not counter productive.

2 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 6, 2014 10:17:57am

re: #1 1Peter G1

It harms Los Angeles, the jurisdiction that passed the rule. Film production of all genres is of profound economic interest to Los Angeles.

3 shecky  Aug 6, 2014 10:19:51am

It isn’t really being claimed that the effect is being felt at the State level, but rather at the local, Los Angeles, level. Says right there in the quote:

local industry — adult entertainment — is fleeing Los Angeles

.

4 Randall Gross  Aug 6, 2014 10:36:15am

Correlation is not cause - as mom & pop eporn and local entrepreneurs take off, big production porn is dying. The mandated use of condoms might not be the cause and I suspect the law is a good case of government legislating for better health.

5 Jayleia  Aug 6, 2014 10:40:06am

re: #1 1Peter G1

Here we go again.

So no, there is no evidence that this in any way harms the industry in California and therefore isn’t a valid argument against local regulation.

I fully support local regulation. However, one should try to understand the effects of regulations (preferably BEFORE they’re issued). And who’s talking about the state of California besides you? I mean, I know LA is in California, but California didn’t pass that.

There is no reason to suppose or believe the industry (have to call it something I suppose)

What else would you call it?

is better off concentrated in one county vs across other counties in the state. You could argue that the law was not terribly productive but not counter productive.

Concentration in LA vs other counties was never presented as being counterproductive to California. BECAUSE CALIFORNIA AND LA ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS AND THIS WAS A STORY ABOUT LA.

6 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 6, 2014 10:43:08am

re: #4 Randall Gross

Correlation is not cause - as mom & pop eporn and local entrepreneurs take off, big production porn is dying. The mandated use of condoms might not be the cause and I suspect the law is a good case of government legislating for better health.

90% and a corresponding spike right over the county line is the evidence that points to the cause. Another example is production rental companies setting up in the newly popular production areas. Grip trucks, camera and jib rentals etc.

7 Ogami Itto  Aug 6, 2014 3:24:37pm

At least there’s still a steady supply of porn coming from Germany. /

8 Joanne  Aug 6, 2014 9:45:40pm

I’m really struggling to see why porn actors being mandated to wear condoms is a bad thing. How does this affect the workers who colld be open to HIV, AIDS, clymidia, HPV and a host other sexually transmitted diseases.

OSHA should be regulating this. If they don’t it should fall to the state. If they don’t act, then locally. Locally makes the most sense because this affects local citizens who might have sex with these workers.

Seriously, money trumps lives? That’s a hard thing to swallow. (No pun intended.)

9 Jayleia  Aug 7, 2014 4:32:35am

re: #8 Joanne

You’d actually be surprised, if I had to make a guess, most professionals test more in a year than most do in their lives. A lot of porn consumers don’t want to see condoms, so the industry markets to them…but the industry is aware of the problem, both on the production and performance side, and there are processes for dealing with it.

Smaller performers/production companies still want to make money, so they hop over the county line. A better solution would be to mandate AND subsidize testing, if you choose not to, then condom use is mandated. But then, I don’t think the health of the performers was at the forefront of their minds.

10 1Peter G1  Aug 8, 2014 9:24:23am

re: #2 Rightwingconspirator

Nope. No real evidence of that either. Doesn’t affect the state budget unless production moves out of state. That is something for which no evidence is provided. Nor is there any reason to suppose anyone associated with the industry relocated. They’re probably living where they lived and spending where they spent.

Now that aside, suggesting that a public health measure, for that is what the law is intended to do, encourages people to locate elsewhere strikes me as silly. The same could be said for child labor laws. Do you think they should get rid of those too?

11 1Peter G1  Aug 8, 2014 9:27:21am

re: #5 Jayleia

I don’t think you’re really grasping the gist. But whatever.

12 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 8, 2014 3:54:13pm

re: #10 1Peter G1

Nor is there any reason to suppose anyone associated with the industry relocated

Except this and similar

Vivid Prez Steve Hirsch tells us … his company currently does not produce movies in L.A. County — where there’s currently a mandatory condom law. He says the current testing procedures are more than adequate.

One porn exec tells us … the county has lost around $100 million a year. Fact is … we checked with the agency that issues permits for porn shoots. 480 permits were issued in 2012. After the condom law passed, the number plummeted to 40 in 2013, and so far in 2014 … only 30.

Read more: tmz.com

13 ObsidianB  Aug 9, 2014 11:11:50am

re: #8 Joanne

Several adult performers have spoken out about this issue, and they all say pretty much the same thing. One of them, performer Veruca James, sums it up well on her Tumblr. While the Tumblr as a whole is NSFW, there is nothing potentially objectionable on this one page:

damonandverucajames.tumblr.com

14 wrenchwench  Aug 9, 2014 11:39:17am

re: #13 ObsidianB

Welcome, hatchling.

15 Decatur Deb  Aug 10, 2014 8:55:59am

The ‘local’ argument goes away if OSHA were to step in nation-wide and enforce its General Duty clause. That’s why the national OSHAct was passed—to squelch an unmaneageble growth in state and local legislation.

Somehow, the Department of Labor is reluctant…

osha.gov

16 Jayleia  Aug 10, 2014 9:28:06am

re: #10 1Peter G1

If it was a “public health measure”, its a damn shitty solution for a problem that wasn’t there. Again, performers in the industry test quite often.

And no, not really, the same can’t be said for child labor laws…since there’s often federal, state and local laws (foreign laws eh…not so well). But that’s not really why you’d want a law like this.

The only reason a law like this makes any sense is if you want to drive “those kind of people” out of your nice city, but don’t want to just say it.

re: #11 1Peter G1

Actually, I think I grasp it just fine. We’re talking about things that affect LA, you’re talking about things that affect California. That’s at the KT Boundary of Derp…

17 Dark_Falcon  Aug 10, 2014 6:36:06pm

re: #15 Decatur Deb

The ‘local’ argument goes away if OSHA were to step in nation-wide and enforce its General Duty clause. That’s why the national OSHAct was passed—to squelch an unmaneageble growth in state and local legislation.

Somehow, the Department of Labor is reluctant…

osha.gov

DoL taking on such work would make the porn industry less willing to donate to the Democrats, as few industries that deal with OSHA don’t find it unpleasant to deal with (that’s not a knock on OSHA per say, but rather saying that people tend to be less willing to donate money to thus they feel inflicted upon them what they feel is excessive regulation).

Moreover, given the way the federal government is required work, OSHA would have to publish its proposed porn regulations for public comment before implementing them. The result of that would likely be a PR nightmare for the agency and the Department of Labor. Just start by thinking of the hearing Darryl Issa would call.

And lastly, OSHA would have to find inspectors willing to perform the regulatory functions for the porn industry and vet them accordingly. This would be needed because many inspectors would be unwilling or unable to perform such functions for family and social reasons; The porn industry does still carry some stigma and even leaving that aside many married people would not be willing to work on porn regulation for fear of causing their spouse to become suspicious. Also, those who would be willing to take on such work would have to be vetted to make sure they’d be professional about it.

18 Retrograde  Aug 12, 2014 5:21:59am

That regulation is quite easy to enforce , in that the finished product would indicate adherence , but in reality ,testing is a farce .If a actor or actress is tested once a month , an infection can easily occur in between testing .
As far as hardcore porn , condoms don’t make it . It’s simply a risky profession . Moving a “movie set” is a relatively cheap and easy deal .Making condom use a state law would in fact cause jumping a state line rather than a county line .
It’s all mostly an illusion anyway , made for men .Most women porn stars are not really “enjoying their job ” , they are making money .And if you talk to them , it’s really not easy money as they not only risk STD infection , but suffer vaginal and anal tears as part of the job . Most hope to be noticed and get a real modeling or acting job .


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