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1 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 16, 2014 4:42:03pm

Ridiculous ruling.

2 ausador  Aug 16, 2014 5:03:27pm

re: #1 Rightwingconspirator

Ridiculous ruling.

Just because it had never happened before and realistically could not have been prevented in any case is no reason not to hold the business owner liable!


Judge thinks he is Captain Hindsight apparently…

3 Skip Intro  Aug 16, 2014 5:08:54pm

I guess that now the owner is assumed to have psychic powers, the patrons should be assumed to have the same.

Since they should have known it could happen, what is the basis of the lawsuits?

4 sagehen  Aug 16, 2014 6:54:12pm

Denying summary judgment isn’t even close to saying the defendant loses the case, just that there’s enough reason to go to trial. If the theater took reasonable protective measures (“reasonable” being in the eye of the jury) and the guy was extra clever to evade those measures, the theater will still be in the clear.

5 Skip Intro  Aug 16, 2014 7:03:18pm

I wonder how “reasonable protective measures” would work in an open carry state?

6 William of Orange  Aug 16, 2014 8:17:42pm

Fuck ‘em!!! If this was forseeable, why don’t these pencil pushers demand background checks!!!

7 majii  Aug 16, 2014 8:44:47pm

I read the article on another site, and it appears that when “the Dark Knight Rises” was shown at some Cinemark theaters, there was security on site. I’m thinking this might have had something to do with Judge Jackson permitting the Aurora case to move forward. It also hasn’t escape my thinking that since the Supreme Ct. ruled that corporations are people, it has opened them up to being targets of lawsuits like this one.

8 BadExampleMan  Aug 17, 2014 1:06:58am

Unrelated data point: Any commercial location in Israel over a particular size or capacity has security at the entrance with a metal detector wand and a pistol.

But it’s largely a joke. Wanding and bag searches are cursory. Anyone who wanted to could get a weapon past them. If implemented in the states (by hiring at minimum wage anyone who can get a gun permit, of course) can you imagine any way that would improve the situation, because I can’t, and plenty ways it would make it worse.

9 ausador  Aug 17, 2014 8:28:06am

re: #8 BadExampleMan

But he didn’t come in armed in this case so security at the entrance would not have done anything.

The shooting occurred in theater 9 at the Century 16 multiplex (operated by Cinemark), located at the Town Center at Aurora shopping mall[3] at 14300 E. Alameda Avenue.[4] Police said the shooter bought a ticket, entered the theater, and sat in the front row; about 20 minutes into the film, he left the building through an emergency exit door, which he propped open with a plastic tablecloth holder.[5]

He allegedly then went to his car, which was parked near the exit door, changed into protective clothing, and retrieved his guns.[6][7] About 30 minutes into the film, police say, around 12:30 am,[8] he reentered the theater through the exit door. He was dressed in black and wore a gas mask, a load-bearing vest (not to be confused with a bulletproof vest), a ballistic helmet, bullet-resistant leggings, a bullet-resistant throat protector, a groin protector and tactical gloves.[9] Initially, few in the audience considered the masked figure a threat. He appeared to be wearing a costume, like other audience members who had dressed up for the screening. Some believed that the gunman was playing a prank,[10] while others thought that he was part of a special effects installation set up for the film’s premiere as a publicity stunt by the studio or theater management.[11]

Theaters have been struggling with security at fire exit doors since forever, usually just because one person buys a ticket and then lets others inside. In this case the gunman used one to go outside and arm himself and then re-enter.

It isn’t as if you can lock a fire exit so I don’t know what the solution to that might be if any.

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