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1 sagehen  Aug 23, 2014 5:24:43pm

Only 7 minutes in, and already total fan service.

Love that Vastra and Jenny and Strex are in this story. Love that Moffet bought the new credit sequence from a fan vid that he liked and copied.

Love that the dinosaur is suitably cheesy.

2 The War TARDIS  Aug 23, 2014 5:26:35pm

Only one issue with the episode thus far: a single stupid sound effect.

3 De Kolta Chair  Aug 23, 2014 5:27:14pm

Very nice to see Vastra and Jenny again.

4 The War TARDIS  Aug 23, 2014 5:27:36pm

re: #1 sagehen

This going to get dark at the end.

5 The War TARDIS  Aug 23, 2014 5:28:21pm

Again, I have seen this 8 days ago.

6 Targetpractice  Aug 23, 2014 5:28:50pm

re: #5 The War TARDIS

Again, I have seen this 8 days ago.

Spoilers!

/

7 The War TARDIS  Aug 23, 2014 5:29:18pm

re: #6 Targetpractice

I know.

8 Targetpractice  Aug 23, 2014 5:30:17pm

We’ve seen regeneration sickness before, but this seems particularly strong. Guess the new set of regenerations hit him hard.

9 The War TARDIS  Aug 23, 2014 5:30:40pm

Oh, and Fanservice will go in a different direction after the commercials end.

10 The War TARDIS  Aug 23, 2014 5:31:51pm

I love what happens to the conspiracy theorist.

11 The War TARDIS  Aug 23, 2014 5:33:41pm

And he we go.

12 De Kolta Chair  Aug 23, 2014 5:34:53pm

Shouldn’t that dinosaur be on a spaceship?

13 The War TARDIS  Aug 23, 2014 5:36:21pm

Clara is going to make a speech. An angry one.

14 De Kolta Chair  Aug 23, 2014 5:37:00pm

Don’t mess with Clara Oswald!

15 sagehen  Aug 23, 2014 5:37:58pm

I like the new musical theme for Doctor Twelve (I saw an interview with the composer earlier in the week — he doesn’t call any of them “the nth doctor”, they’re “doctor number”).

16 The War TARDIS  Aug 23, 2014 5:38:25pm

Owie

17 De Kolta Chair  Aug 23, 2014 5:38:38pm

The Doctor jumping off the roof — a Peter Pan reference?

18 The War TARDIS  Aug 23, 2014 5:39:16pm

Jenny, you are very wrong.

19 The War TARDIS  Aug 23, 2014 5:42:31pm

Where’d the thread go?

20 Targetpractice  Aug 23, 2014 5:42:52pm

So they put him to bed…but let him keep his screwdriver. Right.

21 The War TARDIS  Aug 23, 2014 5:47:05pm

Newspaper as a weapon. Clara looks pretty.

22 sagehen  Aug 23, 2014 5:47:07pm

Awesome Clara costume. I want one.

23 The War TARDIS  Aug 23, 2014 5:48:16pm

Ewwwww.

Straw needs help.

24 The War TARDIS  Aug 23, 2014 5:49:57pm

He’s more socially stupid than I am.

That is an achievement.

25 The War TARDIS  Aug 23, 2014 5:52:49pm

And now one of the mysteries of the season. Why does he have the face from the past.

26 sagehen  Aug 23, 2014 5:54:41pm

Jenny’s become more confident and forceful since last we saw her.

27 De Kolta Chair  Aug 23, 2014 5:56:16pm

Bawdy Clara/Strax fanfic trending.

28 The War TARDIS  Aug 23, 2014 5:57:28pm

re: #27 De Kolta Chair

Apparently Vastra works best with scantily clad women.

29 Targetpractice  Aug 23, 2014 5:58:18pm

re: #25 The War TARDIS

And now one of the mysteries of the season. Why does he have the face from the past.

Been a popular fan theory for awhile that the Doctor’s regenerations are not as random as he’s suggested. We know that Romana was able to change what she’d look like, so perhaps he’s doing it, only on a subconscious level?

30 sagehen  Aug 23, 2014 5:59:54pm

Not even half an ep, and already I like this doctor better than Nine or Ten. There’s a chance within the hour he’ll overtake Eleven in my affections. (I still don’t love Clara — I can’t imagine she’ll ever rank higher than Martha or Amy on my favorites list).

31 Targetpractice  Aug 23, 2014 6:00:54pm

re: #30 sagehen

Not even half an ep, and already I like this doctor better than Nine or Ten. There’s a chance within the hour he’ll overtake Eleven in my affections. (I still don’t love Clara — I can’t imagine she’ll ever rank higher than Martha or Amy on my favorites list).

My favorite remains Donna, if only because there was never any romantic tension there. Amy’s second, but that’s because she was also able to actually challenge the Doctor, rather than just being along for the ride.

32 sagehen  Aug 23, 2014 6:02:23pm

re: #29 Targetpractice

Been a popular fan theory for awhile that the Doctor’s regenerations are not as random as he’s suggested. We know that Romana was able to change what she’d look like, so perhaps he’s doing it, only on a subconscious level?

If he could choose his own looks he’d have been a ginger at least once.

33 The War TARDIS  Aug 23, 2014 6:04:54pm

re: #29 Targetpractice

Popular theory:this is related to the Valeyard.

Clara is my favorite.

34 The War TARDIS  Aug 23, 2014 6:05:48pm

Remember these guys.

35 Targetpractice  Aug 23, 2014 6:08:29pm

“You’ve got to admire their efficiency.”
“Is it okay if I don’t?”

36 Jayleia  Aug 23, 2014 6:09:45pm

re: #34 The War TARDIS

I don’t think I’ll forget THESE guys anytime soon…even if I do regenerate.

37 De Kolta Chair  Aug 23, 2014 6:09:47pm

Perhaps they should’ve taken a closer look at the menu:

38 Targetpractice  Aug 23, 2014 6:11:35pm

I think I like this Doctor and Clara already, but I think that’s most because it’s no longer watching a young couple and more like watching a teacher and student again.

39 The War TARDIS  Aug 23, 2014 6:11:50pm

re: #36 Jayleia

No, they have been in Doctor Who before

40 De Kolta Chair  Aug 23, 2014 6:16:01pm

The first dormant body — a reference to “The Talons of Weng-Chiang”? This episode has a definite Tom Baker vibe.

41 sagehen  Aug 23, 2014 6:17:18pm

OMG!! Did he really just leave her there?

42 The War TARDIS  Aug 23, 2014 6:18:47pm

re: #41 sagehen

Wait for it…..

43 De Kolta Chair  Aug 23, 2014 6:19:37pm

Lens flares! Drink! //

44 The War TARDIS  Aug 23, 2014 6:21:25pm

Anyone yet know what monsters these are, and what NuWho episode they are from?

45 The War TARDIS  Aug 23, 2014 6:22:29pm

re: #44 The War TARDIS

I know already. :)

46 Targetpractice  Aug 23, 2014 6:23:47pm

re: #44 The War TARDIS

Anyone yet know what monsters these are, and what NuWho episode they are from?

“The Girl in the Fireplace.”

47 The War TARDIS  Aug 23, 2014 6:25:18pm

re: #46 Targetpractice

Very good.

These are the Clockwork droids.

And now, for another awesome Clara moment.

48 De Kolta Chair  Aug 23, 2014 6:26:53pm

re: #45 The War TARDIS

I know already. :)

I have a feeling nobody’s going to a costume ball in this episode. ;-)

49 The War TARDIS  Aug 23, 2014 6:28:46pm

Here he comes.

50 De Kolta Chair  Aug 23, 2014 6:30:48pm

Great entrance by the Paternoster Gang!

51 sagehen  Aug 23, 2014 6:31:09pm

Jenny and Vastra and Strex are NINJAS!!

52 The War TARDIS  Aug 23, 2014 6:31:24pm

Strax: as graceful as a brick

53 The War TARDIS  Aug 23, 2014 6:31:46pm

re: #51 sagehen

I dispute the 3rd one.

54 Targetpractice  Aug 23, 2014 6:32:58pm

I get the feeling that Strax’s clone batch had a few defects.

55 The War TARDIS  Aug 23, 2014 6:32:59pm

Spoiler:there will be a twist right at the end.

56 The War TARDIS  Aug 23, 2014 6:34:24pm

re: #54 Targetpractice

Watch ‘The Snowman’ he came back from the dead. Brain may not have made the return trip completely.

57 The War TARDIS  Aug 23, 2014 6:38:33pm

Most. Disgusting. Balloon. Ever.

58 De Kolta Chair  Aug 23, 2014 6:41:32pm

Bit o’trivia: the actor playing the Two-Faced Man will be in the upcoming film, High-Rise, based on J.G. Ballard’s 1975 novel.

59 The War TARDIS  Aug 23, 2014 6:42:30pm

Here comes controversy.

60 De Kolta Chair  Aug 23, 2014 6:44:52pm

Why didn’t they just hold their breathes for as long as they could and then inhale and hold their breathes again?

61 The War TARDIS  Aug 23, 2014 6:45:53pm

The Doctor either killed it, or pushed it to Suicide.

62 Targetpractice  Aug 23, 2014 6:47:04pm

re: #61 The War TARDIS

The Doctor either killed it, or pushed it to Suicide.

I may be wrong, but I don’t believe this if the first time that the Doctor has talked someone to death.

63 RadicalModerate  Aug 23, 2014 6:47:49pm

Even though The Doctor says that it is against his nature to kill, to say he has never done so would be an outright lie.

“No second chances”

64 De Kolta Chair  Aug 23, 2014 6:49:33pm

I suspect there’ll be a schmaltzy finish.

65 The War TARDIS  Aug 23, 2014 6:49:42pm

re: #63 RadicalModerate

I know that. The episode Dalek, for example.

This was close to human though.

66 The War TARDIS  Aug 23, 2014 6:50:19pm

re: #64 De Kolta Chair

Sort of, but then it goes sideways.

67 The War TARDIS  Aug 23, 2014 6:53:02pm

Say goodbye to 11.

68 sagehen  Aug 23, 2014 6:53:34pm

whoaaaa…

I know that voice

69 The War TARDIS  Aug 23, 2014 6:57:57pm

We going sideways now.

70 De Kolta Chair  Aug 23, 2014 6:58:34pm

Old? Did someone say old?

71 De Kolta Chair  Aug 23, 2014 6:59:18pm

WHO’s that creepy lady?

72 RadicalModerate  Aug 23, 2014 7:01:10pm

re: #70 De Kolta Chair

Old? Did someone say old?

[Embedded image]

Capaldi is actually a year older than Hartnell was when he started playing The Doctor.

73 Jayleia  Aug 23, 2014 7:02:06pm

re: #71 De Kolta Chair

I don’t know, but she’s giving off Kovarian levels of creepiness.

74 sagehen  Aug 23, 2014 7:02:12pm

re: #71 De Kolta Chair

WHO’s that creepy lady?

She looks familiar, doesn’t she? I want to say Lara Pulver (Irene Adler), but could that possibly be?

75 Targetpractice  Aug 23, 2014 7:03:06pm

“Missy”? Boyfriend? I have a thought…and it’s a very scary one.

76 The War TARDIS  Aug 23, 2014 7:03:21pm

re: #70 De Kolta Chair

When this was filmed Capaldi was already older than when Hartwell started filming.

re: #71 De Kolta Chair

Something to do with the Nethersphere. She will have bits like that at the end of many of the episodes.

Actress is Michelle Gomez.

77 The War TARDIS  Aug 23, 2014 7:03:51pm

re: #75 Targetpractice

What is it?

78 Targetpractice  Aug 23, 2014 7:06:19pm

re: #77 The War TARDIS

What is it?

Missy as in Mistress. Mistress, as in the feminine version of…Master.

Yeah, I don’t see that being the big twist this season. Too cheesy.

79 De Kolta Chair  Aug 23, 2014 7:09:57pm

re: #72 RadicalModerate

Capaldi is actually a year older than Hartnell was when he started playing The Doctor.

I didn’t realize Capaldi was that “old” or that Hartnell was that young.

80 The War TARDIS  Aug 23, 2014 7:12:39pm

re: #79 De Kolta Chair

Things have changed alot in 50 years.

re: #78 Targetpractice

Unlikely.

I have been watching the stuff from filming. The Nethersphere does appear in the Finale.

In addition the Headstones of Rory and Amy, Thomas Thomas, and Clara Oswin Oswald (Victorian One) appear. In the case of the last one, both a clean version, and a weathered one.

81 Targetpractice  Aug 23, 2014 7:16:24pm

re: #80 The War TARDIS

Things have changed alot in 50 years.

Unlikely.

I have been watching the stuff from filming. The Nethersphere does appear in the Finale.

In addition the Headstones of Rory and Amy, Thomas Thomas, and Clara Oswin Oswald (Victorian One) appear. In the case of the last one, both a clean version, and a weathered one.

Yes, like I said, I found it unlikely. But I had heard talk that they’d be bringing back the Master this season.

82 De Kolta Chair  Aug 23, 2014 7:24:56pm

Thanks for doing this, sagehen!

83 Targetpractice  Aug 23, 2014 7:26:55pm

Sad thing is that I, in search of what Capaldi had been saying in the first teaser trailer, ended up spoiling the phone call at the end. Still, was nice this time that the previous Doctor got to assure Clara (and the audience) that the new Doctor may be different, but inside it’s still him.

84 sagehen  Aug 23, 2014 7:28:24pm

re: #82 De Kolta Chair

glad to

85 hartly  Aug 23, 2014 7:47:10pm

I’m cautiously optimistic. I came around somewhat to Smith after watching some of his reruns as he could be very good when written well (which was unfortunately rare), but I think Capaldi can be much better than either him or Tennant. Loved Capaldi giving his enemy the choice between suicide and execution instead of reformation and execution. I’m hoping he’ll stay cold, but given how people have reacted in the past to the unfriendly Doctors (Hartnell and C Baker regularly place low in opinion polls, and Eccleston is easily the least popular of the new guys), I doubt this can last. Still, after two straight puppies in the Tardis it’s nice to see a grown-up again.

86 hartly  Aug 23, 2014 7:48:55pm

re: #51 sagehenBoring ninjas. That fight scene was lame.

87 hartly  Aug 23, 2014 7:51:22pm

re: #40 De Kolta Chair I was wondering that. The show seems to be getting back the macabre feel of the Hinchcliffe/Holmes days, though not with quite the same ease and assuredness. The skin balloon was just trying way too hard.

88 De Kolta Chair  Aug 23, 2014 7:57:10pm

re: #87 hartly

I was wondering that. The show seems to be getting back the macabre feel of the Hinchcliffe/Holmes days, though not with quite the same ease and assuredness. The skin balloon was just trying way too hard.

It didn’t come anywhere near the creepiness of The Empty Child, though I don’t think they were attempting to anyway.

Still my favorite episode of the New Who’s.

89 Targetpractice  Aug 23, 2014 7:57:52pm

re: #85 hartly

I’m cautiously optimistic. I came around somewhat to Smith after watching some of his reruns as he could be very good when written well (which was unfortunately rare), but I think Capaldi can be much better than either him or Tennant. Loved Capaldi giving his enemy the choice between suicide and execution instead of reformation and execution. I’m hoping he’ll stay cold, but given how people have reacted in the past to the unfriendly Doctors (Hartnell and C Baker regularly place low in opinion polls, and Eccleston is easily the least popular of the new guys), I doubt this can last. Still, after two straight puppies in the Tardis it’s nice to see a grown-up again.

To be fair to Baker, he was largely the whipping boy of executives who by that point had decided they wanted the series to end and so wrote his character as schizophrenic. He’s actually gained a lot of praise in the audio adventures of the Sixth Doctor.

And I think Eccleston’s run to be very good, if mostly because he was perfect for the stories his Doctor was being handed. It was actually liking his version of the Doctor that got me into NuWho, because he could do dark and dramatic stories and he didn’t seem like a sad clown when doing them. Because that’s really how Tennant and Smith played their Doctors so much of the time, as grown children who were skirting around the universe looking for fun to have. When you gave them a dark and dramatic story, it always seemed like they were taken out of their comfort zone.

90 hartly  Aug 23, 2014 8:17:49pm

re: #89 Targetpractice

Let me stress that I don’t personally dislike Baker’s or Eccleston’s (or Hartnell’s, for that matter) takes on the characters. I’m just stating what seems to be the general opinion of them and how I think this might affect how Capaldi ultimately winds up playing the part. I agree about Tennant and to a lesser degree Smith, though in the latter case I think it was more the writing than the actor. When his Doctor was calm and not overly-emotional Smith could actually give a decent dramatic performance.

91 hartly  Aug 23, 2014 8:23:13pm

re: #79 De Kolta Chair

Yes, it was pretty shocking for me when I found out Hartnell was only in his 50’s when he was playing the Doctor. The poor guy was very ill for a large portion of his life, and it showed in his features, not to mention his inability to remember lines.

92 The War TARDIS  Aug 23, 2014 8:58:59pm

re: #88 De Kolta Chair

Oh don’t worry.

From what I have heard, Moffat will fix that with the 4th Episode.

We will also lern about the Doctor and his childhood then. If rumors are correct, we may have a name by inference.

93 steve_davis  Aug 24, 2014 3:36:52am

Loved it. It’s nice to have a “normal” middle-aged doctor again for a change, rather than the hyperactive kids who were doing it for awhile.

94 steve_davis  Aug 24, 2014 3:46:07am

re: #85 hartly

I’m cautiously optimistic. I came around somewhat to Smith after watching some of his reruns as he could be very good when written well (which was unfortunately rare), but I think Capaldi can be much better than either him or Tennant. Loved Capaldi giving his enemy the choice between suicide and execution instead of reformation and execution. I’m hoping he’ll stay cold, but given how people have reacted in the past to the unfriendly Doctors (Hartnell and C Baker regularly place low in opinion polls, and Eccleston is easily the least popular of the new guys), I doubt this can last. Still, after two straight puppies in the Tardis it’s nice to see a grown-up again.

The thing I find to be imperative when watching BOTH Tennant and Smith is to watch without commercials. For whatever reason, the way the scripts were written is such that commercials break the whole vibe. Now, I watched the Capaldi episodes in real time, and the commercials didn’t really hurt it. Maybe that means better script.

95 hartly  Aug 24, 2014 6:47:51am

re: #94 steve_davis

Thanks for the advice. I’ll have to try that one day. But it will probably some time before I have the stomach to watch any Tennant again.

96 6monkeys  Aug 24, 2014 11:08:11am

Do you guys think it was suicide or did the Doctor push him? My theory is that if he was pushed he would have been face-down on the steeple. I think since he was face-up he jumped; either feet first or possibly turned around and leaned back. Just my thought as a fan, but not an overly knowledgeable one :-)

97 William Barnett-Lewis  Aug 24, 2014 12:35:49pm

So far so good. Almost as fun as the fourth & the ninth. Loved the bit about a long scarf and then changing his mind.

98 sizzzzlerz  Aug 27, 2014 7:06:35am

Too long resulting in a lot more filler that dragged the interest factor down. I know it was the opening episode for the season but still. I was seriously considering turning it off about 45 minutes in. Plus Drax, the lizard gal, and Jenny have exceeded their best-when-used-by date. Its time to move on.

99 The War TARDIS  Aug 27, 2014 9:33:16pm

re: #98 sizzzzlerz

Do you know who you are? The Dead Thread guy who leaves a dollop of crap.


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