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1 Aye Pod  Sep 2, 2014 7:20:25pm

I’m voting “Yes” to Scottish independence.

We’ve had enough of being told that we aren’t strong enough, smart enough or well-connected enough to stand on our own. Enough of being told that we need to have our goverment decided for us by a mass of reactionary Daily Mail readers in England, whose politics and interests are not our own.

Enough also, of putting our faith in the prospect of Labour regaining power - under the influence of the aforemention ‘megablob’ of Conservative/UKIP nutjobs in England they have become nothing more than a lite version of the Conservatives, abandoning the working class and even incorporating some of UKIPS anti-immigration hysterics.

Over the last seven years or so, Alex Salmonds SNP government has, using the limited devolved powers available to it, protected Scotland from some of the excesses of Tory austerity - for example, we do not have to pay medical prescription charges and our students do not have to pay the massive increase in tuition fees (300%!) that students in the rest of the UK do. But we still have to pay the hated ‘bedroom tax’ that the Tories brought in to economically cleanse the poor from anywhere that’s remotely nice to live in, and the NHS and the rest of the welfare state is being dismantled as fast as the the Tories nasty greedy little fingers can manage.

The only real way to save our way of life is to disconnect ourselves once and for all from this madness that WE NEVER VOTE FOR and create a new country of our own design, one that speaks to our values and represents our interests.

On the 18th september, I hope that the majority of the people of Scotland will not be swayed by the grotesquely skewed bias of the press (not ONE national daily newspaper published in Scotland supports the YES vote) and will have the courage to shrug off (and indeed put an end to, at least in it’s present form) the ugly undemocratic mess that ‘Great Britain’ has become.

2 Romantic Heretic  Sep 2, 2014 8:06:43pm

Okay, but remember, Scotland is much smaller than the UK and this means in a global economy Scotland will be much weaker.

If Scotland tries to create or enforce any regulations or laws effecting the business community, especially the international community, it will be in a much weaker position. If Scotland wants its economy working it is going to have to knuckle under to the demands of foreigners much worse and much less sympathetic to Scotland’s interests than Whitehall has ever been.

Sometimes you get what you wish for and it’s not what want.

3 The War TARDIS  Sep 2, 2014 8:21:51pm

re: #2 Romantic Heretic

Not to mention, Salmond is corrupt.

He just inked a contract with Weight Watchers for health care in regards to the obese.

Not only that, but Scotland credit rating going in would only be A. 6 levels below the US and UK.

Half of the shit Salmond is saying is a lie.

4 The War TARDIS  Sep 2, 2014 8:25:56pm

Not to mention, the difference is still 6%. That will be hard to shift in just 16 days.

Oh, and the Yes campaign sending out people to disrupt No campaign stops and rallies. Salmond is dirty.

Not to mention, Scotland breaking away weakens Us and Europe against Fascist Russia.

5 Aye Pod  Sep 3, 2014 2:23:01am

re: #2 Romantic Heretic

Okay, but remember, Scotland is much smaller than the UK and this means in a global economy Scotland will be much weaker.

If Scotland tries to create or enforce any regulations or laws effecting the business community, especially the international community, it will be in a much weaker position. If Scotland wants its economy working it is going to have to knuckle under to the demands of foreigners much worse and much less sympathetic to Scotland’s interests than Whitehall has ever been.

Sometimes you get what you wish for and it’s not what want.

I don’t know where you get the idea that small countries cannot be successful countries. The world, including Europe, is full of counter examples. Bizarre!

And the idea that being tied to England is protecting us from the realities of the big bad world is nonsense, another ‘better together’ trope that the Scottish people are increasingly seeing through.

Ironic to be lectured by an American on the benefits of being “better together” with England. Never thought I’d see that :-)

6 Aye Pod  Sep 3, 2014 2:28:05am

re: #3 The War TARDIS

Not to mention, Salmond is corrupt.

He just inked a contract with Weight Watchers for health care in regards to the obese.

Not only that, but Scotland credit rating going in would only be A. 6 levels below the US and UK.

Half of the shit Salmond is saying is a lie.

You don’t know what you are talking about. I suspect you are just hurting from the fact that Peter Capaldi intends to leave the children’s TV series he is currently working on and take up a position in the new Scottish Government if there is a Yes vote.

7 I Stand With Big Sodomy!  Sep 3, 2014 2:53:05am

re: #5 Aye Pod

Romantic heretic is Canadian.

8 I Stand With Big Sodomy!  Sep 3, 2014 3:01:13am

By the way, I admire your ideals that you laid out in your post. The world has made me a little cynical, so I don’t know if a society like that could ever survive.
On the other hand, I have heard a rumor that the Scottish people are a little tenacious!

9 Romantic Heretic  Sep 3, 2014 4:26:51am

re: #5 Aye Pod

I don’t know where you get the idea that small countries cannot be successful countries. The world, including Europe, is full of counter examples. Bizarre!

And the idea that being tied to England is protecting us from the realities of the big bad world is nonsense, another ‘better together’ trope that the Scottish people are increasingly seeing through.

Ironic to be lectured by an American on the benefits of being “better together” with England. Never thought I’d see that :-)

I suppose that means by what you mean by ‘successful’.

But in a world ruled by The Mob it is possible for an individual to be successful. Right up until the point that The Mob wants more, or it all.

Having re-read your post again I believe your decision is founded on deep emotion, specifically a burning hatred of England. Thus it may not be the best one.

10 sagehen  Sep 3, 2014 7:57:03am

re: #6 Aye Pod

You don’t know what you are talking about. I suspect you are just hurting from the fact that Peter Capaldi intends to leave the children’s TV series he is currently working on and take up a position in the new Scottish Government if there is a Yes vote.

Excuse me… did you just call Doctor Who “children’s TV”?

Them’s fightin’ words, son. I have no strong opinion on Scottish independence, but… don’t insult The Doctor.

11 1Peter G1  Sep 3, 2014 8:35:59am

This seems to be a very popular position on left wing sites like C&L. They don’t like it when I point out that they regularly call for treason charges to be leveled against their fellow citizens who feel the same way about states leaving the union.
The argument about economic disparity is silly. The economic transfers from wealthier regions to poorer regions is a feature of government and not a bug. In Canada we call these equalization payments but you cannot have these when every area is relatively poor. Relying for your wealth on a diminishing resource like oil is a foolish thing to do unless you are banking most of the proceeds. Which isn’t happening and could not happen if Scotland separates.

The main problem with the EC is that it isn’t much more than a customs union. It would be far more effective at wealth transfers from states like Germany to states like Greece if it were a political union. The Scots would be foolish to separate for these reasons.

12 The War TARDIS  Sep 3, 2014 8:40:31am

For the record, Aye Pod is being deceitful.

NHS issue:

The First Minister has repeatedly claimed in recent weeks that the only way to save the health service from privatisation in Scotland is a Yes vote in the independence referendum.

His political opponents said he was scaring the vulnerable with lurid warnings while at the same time “nodding through NHS contracts to independent providers”.

The Telegraph has learned that Weight Watchers, the US-based international weight loss company, has won a two-year contract to provide 4,000 overweight patients with weight management guidance in the west of Scotland.

The move will take a large proportion of the patients currently seeking help for weight-related problems out of NHS care in the city, Renfrewshire, Inverclyde and Dunbartonshire.

Disruptions:

The former Scottish Secretary said he did not know whether Alex Salmond was responsible for the respite after the First Minister used a TV interview at the weekend to urge people to ignore him.

But he suggested someone senior in the Yes campaign had “turned off the taps” after he was last week forced to suspend his “100 towns in 100 days tour” when groups of independence supporters started disrupting the events.

They shouted down members of the public, intimidated his staff, threw eggs and called him a quisling and traitor during events in Montrose, Dundee and Kirkcaldy. Mr Murphy alleged they had coordinated their actions using Yes Scotland social media.

In addition, I looked and found no evidence anywhere for your assertion on Capaldi.

As an aside, Doctor Who saved me from what was at one point a suicidal level depression.

13 1Peter G1  Sep 3, 2014 8:40:54am

re: #6 Aye Pod

re: #5 Aye Pod

Indeed. There are things besides natural resources that can make a country successful. Climate can. As your more successful vacation and retirement destinations can attest. (Sorry Scotland) Perhaps Scotland could give banking a try. Look how well that turned out for Iceland.

14 The War TARDIS  Sep 3, 2014 8:44:44am

re: #13 1Peter G1

Yeah, their economy capsized.

Not to mention, Scottish Universities will lose a lot of money.

Salmond is making promises he can’t keep. Not to mention, making up a 6 point gap in 15 days will be difficult.

15 iceweasel  Sep 3, 2014 9:44:03am

re: #10 sagehen

Excuse me… did you just call Doctor Who “children’s TV”?

Them’s fightin’ words, son. I have no strong opinion on Scottish independence, but… don’t insult The Doctor.

Just messing with PLL’s head…don’t worry Peter Capaldi is a great doctor :-)

16 iceweasel  Sep 3, 2014 9:53:28am

re: #12 The War TARDIS

For the record, Aye Pod is being deceitful.

.

Sorry, which of the facts he quoted do you find deceitful? The bit about tuition, or was it maybe the free prescriptions, or was it possibly the bit about the bedroom tax?

scotland deserves the right to self-determination, and should be an independent country. Whether that happens remains to be seen.

17 iceweasel  Sep 3, 2014 9:56:23am

england and scotland

Couldn’t resist.

18 Aye Pod  Sep 3, 2014 10:00:13am

re: #9 Romantic Heretic

Having re-read your post again I believe your decision is founded on deep emotion, specifically a burning hatred of England. Thus it may not be the best one.

Another tired trope that is levelled against anyone on the Yes side - but to answer straightforwardly no I don’t have a resentment of English people or English culture - I do however have an extreme allergy to having their politics rammed down my throat. I supported Labour most of my life - Btw it’s the English Tories who have made a whole thing out of hating anyone who is of a different country to them - we Scots are in general far more accepting of difference. It is those on the No side who are predicting that Scotland and England will necessarily be enemies if we vote for our own government. We on the other hand are promising to forgive all in the event of a Yes vote. That’s just how we roll :-)

Maybe you are a huge fan of right wing politics, in which case your hostility to the Yes case is perfectly understandable. If not though, it’s a bit of a mystery to be honest.

Anyway you are Canadian. How do you feel about ceding your sovereignty to the USA and watching as your vote fades into utter irrelevance? Bigger country, etc etc etc.

19 klys  Sep 3, 2014 10:04:08am

/looks at the Scotland independence page

/backs away very, very slowly

20 iceweasel  Sep 3, 2014 10:05:50am

re: #19 klys

/looks at the Scotland independence page

/backs away very, very slowly

Come back! really, we’re very nice. :)

Youtube Video

21 klys  Sep 3, 2014 10:07:42am

re: #20 iceweasel

Come back! really, we’re very nice. :)

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Scotland and Iceland are currently the top-two next international destinations for us, we’re just sorting out which one will come first. I loved Edinburgh on my last trip.

I just don’t know enough about the situation to really have an informed opinion, and pretty clearly there are some strong feelings. So instead, have bagpipes?

Youtube Video

22 iceweasel  Sep 3, 2014 10:11:09am

re: #21 klys

Scotland and Iceland are currently the top-two next international destinations for us, we’re just sorting out which one will come first. I loved Edinburgh on my last trip.

I just don’t know enough about the situation to really have an informed opinion, and pretty clearly there are some strong feelings. So instead, have bagpipes?

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Awesome, this thread really needed some bagpipes. :)

I still haven’t been to Edinburgh, but we’re hoping to remedy that soon. Anything in particular you’d recommend?

23 klys  Sep 3, 2014 10:13:30am

re: #22 iceweasel

Awesome, this thread really needed some bagpipes. :)

I still haven’t been to Edinburgh, but we’re hoping to remedy that soon. Anything in particular you’d recommend?

Oh geez, it was a while ago. I really enjoyed just wandering around and seeing some of the shopping areas (was visiting a friend who attended uni there) and seeing some of the castles. We did a day trip to Stirling that I loved. I was going to do the underground tour but ended up with a dinner that really didn’t agree with me and had to miss it - my friend went and it sounded like she really enjoyed it, so that’s on my list to do when I get back.

24 iceweasel  Sep 3, 2014 10:17:56am

re: #23 klys

Oh geez, it was a while ago. I really enjoyed just wandering around and seeing some of the shopping areas (was visiting a friend who attended uni there) and seeing some of the castles. We did a day trip to Stirling that I loved. I was going to do the underground tour but ended up with a dinner that really didn’t agree with me and had to miss it - my friend went and it sounded like she really enjoyed it, so that’s on my list to do when I get back.

Oh I’ve heard about the underground tour, it’s supposed to be really good—I have been to Stirling too and loved it. Hope you get back here soon— here’s another Proclaimers song to tide you over. :-)

Youtube Video

25 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2014 10:18:20am

re: #21 klys

Edinburgh was nice to visit, but I felt much more at home (and enjoyed myself very much more) in the Highlands and Islands. I am totally in love with the Orkneys.

26 klys  Sep 3, 2014 10:20:05am

re: #25 Backwoods_Sleuth

Edinburgh was nice to visit, but I felt much more at home (and enjoyed myself very much more) in the Highlands and Islands. I am totally in love with the Orkneys.

Those are …very high on the list for next trip. Oh man.

27 HappyWarrior  Sep 3, 2014 10:22:47am

I really think it’s great that there’s a referendum on this in the first place. The people of Scotland did not choose to become part of what we call the UK. As for to become independent or not, I really don’t know. People say that Scotland could not survive independent and I would disagree with that given that former Soviet satellite states like the Baltic states who were part of the USSR and before that the Russian empire have been able to do well. The Irish Republic has had its growing pains since independence but stayed afloat. Honestly, I don’t know what the best decision for the Scottish people is but ultimately I am glad that they have a say in this one way or the other.

28 Aye Pod  Sep 3, 2014 10:24:40am

Kind of amazed at the lack of compassion for the poor and under-represented in Scotland - and indeed the rest of the UK. As Monbiot argues, a lot of people in the rest of the UK outside Scotland are hoping we do it - it’s what THEY need as well to break the neo-liberal straightjacket imposed on them by the fat cat serving media and Westminster.

Again I have to say I find it bizarre that some people who call themselves liberal are expressing these right wing views here. You are siding with the Conservatives and UKIP who collectively constitute less than 10% of the Scottish electorate. Is it only America and Canada that are to enjoy the benefits of left leaning policies ( as the people of Scotland have ALWAYS voted for)?

And is it to be evil, greedy wingnut fucks for everyone else - seriously? Think again. Start listening to the Scottish people - those who aren’t fat cats, their self -serving media, or hopelessly muddled sectarian bigots.

If you believe in social justice and democracy, then you are on the same side as us and you should support an independent Scotland.

29 I Stand With Big Sodomy!  Sep 3, 2014 10:28:08am

Hmmm.

30 I Stand With Big Sodomy!  Sep 3, 2014 10:30:48am

re: #11 1Peter G1

Not me! I will help the Confederates leave the Union!

31 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2014 10:31:36am

jeebus…now I have a huge craving for Orkney fudge…

32 Aye Pod  Sep 3, 2014 10:34:17am

re: #13 1Peter G1

1) Shut it.

2) Fuck off

PS Fuck off.

33 Aye Pod  Sep 3, 2014 10:35:31am

re: #29 Hyped Up On Ganja

And right wingers don’t like it when you point out even basic scientific facts, So I bet they exasperate you even more.

Ah…so Peter is a genuine wingnut…I understand now :-)

34 iceweasel  Sep 3, 2014 10:38:55am

re: #12 The War TARDIS

For the record, Aye Pod is being deceitful

In addition, I looked and found no evidence anywhere for your assertion on Capaldi.

That’s because it was a joke, son. But the fact that you spent some moments of your life trying frantically to find out about it makes me shake with glee.

As an aside, Doctor Who saved me from what was at one point a suicidal level depression.

And pardon me, but so what? You’re not the only person who ever suffered from that, and the Aye vote may be saving some other people from it.

35 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2014 10:39:14am

and, save me…I love a well made haggis.

36 Aye Pod  Sep 3, 2014 10:41:24am

I’m getting a memory coming back to me now of The War Tardis threatening all out war on Argentina because of the Falklands and saying something like ‘self determination is the sword I shall die on here on LGF’ or some such.

Bunch of English people living on an Island off the Argentine coast - thats one thing - but for the people of Scotland?

“Look out - they have Claymores!”

37 Aye Pod  Sep 3, 2014 10:45:08am

re: #35 Backwoods_Sleuth

and, save me…I love a well made haggis.

There’s a wee butchers in Elderslie (Birthplace of William Wallace) I highly recommend. They also do amazing chicken wings and something huge and tasty they call the “Outback Burger”.

38 Aye Pod  Sep 3, 2014 10:47:45am

re: #24 iceweasel

Oh I’ve heard about the underground tour, it’s supposed to be really good—I have been to Stirling too and loved it. Hope you get back here soon— here’s another Proclaimers song to tide you over. :-)

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Should be the new national anthem, if we win! :)

39 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2014 10:48:38am

re: #36 Aye Pod

“Look out - they have Claymores!”

But in the Highlands, they’re wearing kilts or (even better to my eyes) féile-breacan!
so, it’s all good…

40 iceweasel  Sep 3, 2014 10:49:59am

re: #32 Aye Pod

1) Shut it.

2) Fuck off

PS Fuck off.

addendum:

(footnote 1. author Pod, Aye {Glasgow, Scotland}; see note 2, nota bene)

41 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2014 10:50:09am

I’ll park here one of my favorite photos from my last trip to Scotland:
Glen Coe

42 Aye Pod  Sep 3, 2014 10:56:30am

re: #41 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’ll park here one of my favorite photos from my last trip to Scotland:
Glen Coe

Beautiful, and, if the No campaign were to be believed, propped up by millions of invisible Englishmen ;-)

Seriously though that is a lovely picture.

43 iceweasel  Sep 3, 2014 10:57:30am

re: #35 Backwoods_Sleuth

and, save me…I love a well made haggis.

Jimmah keeps telling me I would love the haggis in Edinburgh at the Worlds End pub, but I don’t know. I’m neutral about the haggis. :)

44 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2014 11:00:50am

re: #43 iceweasel

Jimmah keeps telling me I would love the haggis in Edinburgh at the Worlds End pub, but I don’t know. I’m neutral about the haggis. :)

There’s really good haggis and then there’s crap haggis.
You take yer chances, I suppose.

45 HappyWarrior  Sep 3, 2014 11:11:44am

re: #41 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’ll park here one of my favorite photos from my last trip to Scotland:
Glen Coe

That’s postcard image beauty right there. Beautiful shot.

46 HappyWarrior  Sep 3, 2014 11:21:21am

Are there any good places in the US to get haggis? I’d love to go to Scotland myself and try it there but funds are always a problem heh.

47 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2014 11:21:52am

re: #45 HappyWarrior

That’s postcard image beauty right there. Beautiful shot.

thank you. The photo really doesn’t do justice to actually being there.

48 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2014 11:25:24am

re: #46 HappyWarrior

Are there any good places in the US to get haggis? I’d love to go to Scotland myself and try it there but funds are always a problem heh.

I’ve not looked. Yet.
I suppose I could just have a go at making it myself. My family already makes goetta (it’s an annual autumn event), so it would be a matter of adding some more ingredients.

ETA: here in the Ohio River Valley, goetta is known as “frontier haggis”.

49 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2014 11:28:38am

heh, I just did the google search and learned that there will be a haggis festival in Cincinnati this weekend.

50 HappyWarrior  Sep 3, 2014 11:33:44am

re: #49 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh, I just did the google search and learned that there will be a haggis festival in Cincinnati this weekend.

Damn that’s pretty far too.

51 HappyWarrior  Sep 3, 2014 11:34:13am

re: #47 Backwoods_Sleuth

thank you. The photo really doesn’t do justice to actually being there.

Never does. My current FB/Instagram photo is me on the Cliffs of Moher acrorss the way in Ireland. What an amazing experience that was.

52 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2014 11:40:10am

re: #50 HappyWarrior

Damn that’s pretty far too.

yeah, it’s about 100 miles away from me.
I’ll just have to try making it myself.

53 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2014 11:50:56am

going to have to try making Orkney fudge, too.
I just checked pricing…£36 + shipping.

ouch.

54 sagehen  Sep 3, 2014 12:03:38pm

re: #43 iceweasel

Jimmah keeps telling me I would love the haggis in Edinburgh at the Worlds End pub, but I don’t know. I’m neutral about the haggis. :)

You can’t be neutral about haggis. It’s disgusting. Even the descriptions of how it’s made are disgusting. I’m also not fond of bagpipes or golf. Or your weather. I do like the sheep-herding dog competitions; I like Robert Carlyle and Sean Connery; I like Connor MacLeod and Duncan MacLeod… I’m sure there’s other Scottish things I like that I just didn’t realize they’re Scottish.

Tangentially, the one Scottish guy I ever had sex with had a very small penis. I give your land and your men the benefit of the doubt that he was not a representative sample. (TMI?)

55 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2014 12:07:13pm

re: #54 sagehen

Gives sagehen {{gentle hugs}}. You obviously haven’t met any proper Scots.
Sean Connery alone is enough!

56 The War TARDIS  Sep 3, 2014 1:56:03pm

re: #34 iceweasel

He revealed he was a bit of a dick, so I decided to show how important it is to me.

By the way, his little performance there completely turned me off from Scottish independence. Between him, Salmond, and the disrupters, the people for independence seem to be nasty.

And took his statement totally seriously.

57 The War TARDIS  Sep 3, 2014 1:59:36pm

re: #36 Aye Pod

I was neutral till your little performance. I was skeptical of several of the presumptions, and thought Salmond was slimy. But otherwise think Scotland future is dim either way.

Now? Totally against.

58 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2014 2:10:26pm

re: #57 The War TARDIS

I was neutral till your little performance. I was skeptical of several of the presumptions, and thought Salmond was slimy. But otherwise think Scotland future is dim either way.

Now? Totally against.

You weren’t neutral at all in your comment at # 3.
You pushed and got pushed back.

59 The War TARDIS  Sep 3, 2014 2:17:33pm

re: #58 Backwoods_Sleuth

I was against Salmond, and saying a probable issue.

You could probably be against Salmond, and for independence.

60 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2014 2:20:18pm

re: #59 The War TARDIS

I was against Salmond, and saying a probable issue.

You could probably be against Salmond, and for independence.

I’m just saying that your comment was not “neutral” in the least.
And as for your assertion of Scotland’s future being “dim either way”, you really do not understand Scotland or the Scots as a whole.
That’s the problem with broad brushing.

61 The War TARDIS  Sep 3, 2014 2:34:34pm

re: #60 Backwoods_Sleuth

While I am at work, I do think Scotland is hosed either way.

If they stay, Welfare gets cut. Go, and funding for many things dry up, including universities. The oil is only going to last for another 15 to 20 years. So, what will the economy be based on?

And for all of their vaunted tolerance, the pro independence people seem to have no issues using intimation, and being generally mean people like Aye’Pod. Yes, mock the thing that got me out of depression, that won’t anger me at all.

62 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2014 2:36:30pm

oh good grief…

64 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2014 2:45:04pm
65 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2014 3:24:14pm

re: #61 The War TARDIS

While I am at work, I do think Scotland is hosed either way.

If they stay, Welfare gets cut. Go, and funding for many things dry up, including universities. The oil is only going to last for another 15 to 20 years. So, what will the economy be based on?

And for all of their vaunted tolerance, the pro independence people seem to have no issues using intimation, and being generally mean people like Aye’Pod. Yes, mock the thing that got me out of depression, that won’t anger me at all.

Again, you just broad brush without having any real knowledge other than what you have possibly read somewhere, and then just let your outrage spring forth.
Have you ever been to Scotland, spent time there? Do you actually KNOW anyone who lives there?
I have spent considerable time over the years in both England and Scotland (and also, in a shorter bit, in Wales), and I’m here to tell you that life for real people is not all simplistic ideological compartments.

And just stop with the depression stuff and lashing out at people about it when it suits your fancy. You aren’t the only one who ever suffered from depression (and yes, I would also be one who has dealt with depression for more years than either you or even your parents have been alive). Aye Pod did NOT “mock you” over your favorite TV show, and for you to say so is disingenuous and, to be honest, quite insulting.

66 The War TARDIS  Sep 3, 2014 3:43:12pm

re: #65 Backwoods_Sleuth

I took what said in that regard as an insult. To me, it looks he went out of his way to needle me. I have seen enough of it in the past to believe he was aiming for that.

And, simple question, where will they get the money for all of Salmond promises? And how is he going to keep other promises that everyone has already said are impossible.

67 HappyWarrior  Sep 3, 2014 3:50:08pm

I think a hypothetical independent Scotland would get a good amount of revenue in from tourism. Scotland being independent or still part of the UK isn’t really going to dissuade people from going. Honestly, it’s up to them in the end. There are countries that have smaller economies than a hypothetical independent Scotland who have done alright for themselves. As for using the attitudes and behaviors to judge the movement, I think that’s really unfair since A) one could just as easily point to the same kind of behavior from the anti-independence people. As Backwoods Sleuth has gotten at, we are talking about real people who can and should not be defined solely by ideology and I will add our own independence movement wasn’t so warm and fuzzy.

68 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2014 3:55:06pm

re: #66 The War TARDIS

I took what said in that regard as an insult. To me, it looks he went out of his way to needle me. I have seen enough of it in the past to believe he was aiming for that.

And, simple question, where will they get the money for all of Salmond promises? And how is he going to keep other promises that everyone has already said are impossible.

You are seeing insults where none exist. You should work on that, as many people here have suggested time and again, with a therapist.

As for Salmond, you continue to conflate one person with an entire country with which you have no personal knowledge other than what you have selectively read to suit your opinion, and you summarily reject those who do have personal knowledge.
There are enough problems here in the USA without expending all your boundless energy for outrage on other countries and their centuries-old historical problems, and many of those problems are quite properly relegated to the dustbin of history. It’s fine to remember them for reference, but to keep bringing it all up as proof of the inevitability to address today’s problems except to just annihilate the perceived evil-doers is just unhelpful, to put it politely.

69 The War TARDIS  Sep 3, 2014 4:06:10pm

re: #67 HappyWarrior

Yeah, some people back with our independence where really terrible. And then we have people like John Adams, who blatently did terrible things to the 1st Amendment, and Jefferson, an incredible Hypocrite, and possibly the first dudebro.

I probably would be nicer about this if a) someone, at least from my perspective, didn’t go out of their way to be a dick, b) if Salmond wasn’t already privatization things like he said he wouldn’t, c) Salmond a king promises he can’t keep, and d) the pro - independence guys weren’t egging people at events.

70 The War TARDIS  Sep 3, 2014 4:11:53pm

re: #68 Backwoods_Sleuth

Then what was he doing?

And again, how is he going to keep all these promises he is making, especially ones that are only barely in their power? Call me skeptical, but I don’t think independence would result in Scandinavia.

Probably something like Croatia.

71 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2014 4:14:07pm

re: #70 The War TARDIS

Then what was he doing?

And again, how is he going to keep all these promises he is making, especially ones that are only barely in their power? Call me skeptical, but I don’t think independence would result in Scandinavia.

Probably something like Croatia.

Scandinavia? Croatia? You aren’t making any sense. Really, you aren’t.

72 klys  Sep 3, 2014 4:16:49pm

Ultimately, the decision is in the hands of the people who would be most affected by it. Which is where it should be.

I look forward to my next trip to Scotland, whether that is as a member of the UK or as an independent country. I haven’t done enough reading on the situation to have a position other than that and that’s ok because I don’t get to vote.

73 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2014 4:19:19pm
74 klys  Sep 3, 2014 4:20:04pm

re: #73 Backwoods_Sleuth

Awww, sad robot.

75 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2014 4:20:22pm

re: #72 klys

I haven’t done enough reading on the situation to have a position other than that and that’s ok because I don’t get to vote.

^^THIS^^

76 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2014 4:21:04pm

re: #74 klys

Awww, sad robot.

Marvin, from Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy. My favorite character.

77 klys  Sep 3, 2014 4:21:30pm

re: #76 Backwoods_Sleuth

Marvin, from Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy. My favorite character.

I …need to reread that, apparently.

78 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2014 4:23:06pm

re: #77 klys

I …need to reread that, apparently.

Marvin is a complete downer. But he’s so cute whilst being so.
Watch the movie if you get a chance.

79 HappyWarrior  Sep 3, 2014 4:23:18pm

re: #72 klys

Ultimately, the decision is in the hands of the people who would be most affected by it. Which is where it should be.

I look forward to my next trip to Scotland, whether that is as a member of the UK or as an independent country. I haven’t done enough reading on the situation to have a position other than that and that’s ok because I don’t get to vote.

This times a 1000.

80 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2014 4:25:15pm

The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy… there’s a trailer there.
Don’t forget to bring your towel…

ETA: Stephen Fry is the narrator, so you know it’s good!

81 HappyWarrior  Sep 3, 2014 4:27:11pm

re: #70 The War TARDIS

Then what was he doing?

And again, how is he going to keep all these promises he is making, especially ones that are only barely in their power? Call me skeptical, but I don’t think independence would result in Scandinavia.

Probably something like Croatia.

Why does it have to be so black and white? And as I got at, the Irish who are similar to the Scots in culture have been able to do okay on their own. There would probably be some growing pains with independence but then again I’d ask what country doesn’t. The Scottish people did not choose to become part of what we call the UK. Frankly, I am glad that they’re finally getting a formal say on the matter. And frankly I think you are letting your dislike of Salmond cloud your thoughts on the issue.

82 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2014 4:29:07pm

re: #81 HappyWarrior

And the question of Scots independence has been going for how long?

CENTURIES!!!

This Salmond thing is just the newest version.

83 The War TARDIS  Sep 3, 2014 4:31:43pm

re: #71 Backwoods_Sleuth

I mean that they don’t have economy to back those promises. That’s why I am skeptical.

And yes, I haven’t been there. You know why? Because my parents were having to pay for medications therapy.

And really can’t go to the Doctor right now, as the last two claims for visiting him were rejected.

But, again, I am skeptical about the fiscal ability of an Independent Scotland being able to fund everything Salmond says will be funded.

And again, Salmond has already done some privatization of the NHS.

84 HappyWarrior  Sep 3, 2014 4:32:56pm

re: #82 Backwoods_Sleuth

And the question of Scots independence has been going for how long?

CENTURIES!!!

This Salmond thing is just the newest version.

Precisely. Honestly I am surprised that it took this long to finally have a referendum on the issue.

85 The War TARDIS  Sep 3, 2014 4:34:41pm

re: #81 HappyWarrior

Yes it is. Because he isn’t laying out the risks and possible costs.

86 HappyWarrior  Sep 3, 2014 4:37:21pm

re: #85 The War TARDIS

Yes it is. Because he isn’t laying out the risks and possible costs.

Were there not risks when we declared our independence from the UK in 1776? Again I feel you are letting your dislike of the man cloud your judgment. Tell me, does the poor management of hte US in the early years of the Republic before the Constitution was ratified mean that we should have stayed with the British? I don’t know what make of Salmond honestly but I do know that using him to discredit the whole idea is silly on your part.

87 The War TARDIS  Sep 3, 2014 4:41:35pm

re: #86 HappyWarrior

Because I fully expect, if they become independent, for Salmond to sell the country up the river.

That’s why.

88 klys  Sep 3, 2014 4:43:14pm

re: #87 The War TARDIS

Because I fully expect, if they become independent, for Salmond to sell the country up the river.

That’s why.

So, if in some alternate reality, this actually happens …how does this affect you?

89 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2014 4:45:00pm

re: #83 The War TARDIS

I mean that they don’t have economy to back those promises. That’s why I am skeptical.

And you know how bad the Scottish economy is, how?
My apparently faulty personal knowledge says otherwise.

And yes, I haven’t been there. You know why? Because my parents were having to pay for medications therapy.

And really can’t go to the Doctor right now, as the last two claims for visiting him were rejected.

Bullshit. There are services available based on ability to pay. If you really wanted help, you would find a way. You’re finding a way to fly to Iran, right?

But, again, I am skeptical about the fiscal ability of an Independent Scotland being able to fund everything Salmond says will be funded.

And again, Salmond has already done some privatization of the NHS.

Again, you show that you have no idea about Scotland or its fiscal abilities. And you continue to refuse to consider Aye Pod’s opinion at all on specific merits. Just saying “Salmond is evil” doesn’t cut it.

90 HappyWarrior  Sep 3, 2014 4:45:18pm

re: #87 The War TARDIS

Because I fully expect, if they become independent, for Salmond to sell the country up the river.

That’s why.

Well that’s why there are elections. If our country can survive some of the people like Adams and Jefferson as president who you described with much more scathing language than I would have. Why can’t Scotland survive Salmond? You don’t like the man, I get that but I am not seeing any practical arguments against the Scots being able to have their own sovereignty outside of the fact that you dislike the face of the pro-independence movement.

91 goddamnedfrank  Sep 3, 2014 4:46:35pm

HAHAHA Holy fucking shit balls.

Do you live in Scotland? Were you born there? Will their independence impact you in any conceivable way?

No? Then what the fuck are you on about?

92 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2014 4:47:32pm

re: #91 goddamnedfrank

HAHAHA Holy fucking shit balls.

Do you live in Scotland? Were you born there? Will their independence impact you in any conceivable way?

No? Then what the fuck are you on about?

It’s his purist history knowledge of all things evil, far as I can tell.

93 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2014 4:51:11pm

Another photo from my last trip to the Highlands, just because…

Traffic jam warning!

94 Decatur Deb  Sep 3, 2014 4:51:35pm

re: #49 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh, I just did the google search and learned that there will be a haggis festival in Cincinnati this weekend.

Did they put spaghetti in it?

95 HappyWarrior  Sep 3, 2014 4:51:40pm

re: #92 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s his purist history knowledge of all things evil, far as I can tell.

I say this as a history graduate but if we let policy be determined due to historical memories, nothing would get accomplished. There are no absolute angels and demons in the history of nations only real men and women. Well everyone except the Slovenes. They’re awesome ;).

96 HappyWarrior  Sep 3, 2014 4:52:03pm

re: #94 Decatur Deb

Did they put spaghetti in it?

Chili Haggis.

97 The War TARDIS  Sep 3, 2014 4:52:42pm

re: #89 Backwoods_Sleuth

It isn’t bad. But how many of those jobs leave when the Defense moves south, when funding for Universities and research is no longer being supported by the UK?

After independence, there would be a lot of shifting around.

98 klys  Sep 3, 2014 4:54:55pm

re: #93 Backwoods_Sleuth

I looked but none of my photos were great. :( Except for one or two where I’m in them, but I don’t really want to post those.

Clearly another reason I have to go back.

99 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2014 4:55:08pm

re: #94 Decatur Deb

Did they put spaghetti in it?

Don’t know…I never knew they had a haggis festival when I lived there…

100 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2014 4:55:43pm

re: #97 The War TARDIS

It isn’t bad. But how many of those jobs leave when the Defense moves south, when funding for Universities and research is no longer being supported by the UK?

After independence, there would be a lot of shifting around.

oh good grief…what the hell are you talking about????

101 HappyWarrior  Sep 3, 2014 4:55:59pm

re: #99 Backwoods_Sleuth

Don’t know…I never knew they had a haggis festival when I lived there…

I imagine Cincy has a good Oktoberfest festival. That’s on the bucket list. Did San Fermin this year.

102 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2014 4:56:49pm

re: #101 HappyWarrior

I imagine Cincy has a good Oktoberfest festival. That’s on the bucket list. Did San Fermin this year.

Wonderful Oktoberfest there. Pretty sure it starts in September because October just isn’t long enough.
:D

103 HappyWarrior  Sep 3, 2014 4:57:30pm

This all is reminding me of how Woodrow Wilson could talk elegantly about how small nations should have sovereignty but showed no sympathy to the Irish nationalists due to his own Anglophilla. Nothing wrong with being an Anglophile by the way, I’m definitely one musically and I have relatives that live in England and Wales that married Englishmen.

104 HappyWarrior  Sep 3, 2014 4:58:15pm

re: #102 Backwoods_Sleuth

Wonderful Oktoberfest there. Pretty sure it starts in September because October just isn’t long enough.
:D

Actual Oktoberfest is in September but that’s probably why they do it too. Great though now I’m hungry for schnitzel and good wheat beers.

105 klys  Sep 3, 2014 4:59:17pm

re: #101 HappyWarrior

Munich. I want to do it in Munich.

106 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2014 4:59:20pm

re: #97 The War TARDIS

It isn’t bad. But how many of those jobs leave when the Defense moves south, when funding for Universities and research is no longer being supported by the UK?

After independence, there would be a lot of shifting around.

Universities in Scotland are quite able to fund themselves.
At least University of Glasgow is because it has a huge international attraction for entrepreneurship studies amongst other things, like alternative energy (I happen to know this from personal knowledge).

107 HappyWarrior  Sep 3, 2014 5:01:11pm

re: #105 klys

Munich. I want to do it in Munich.

Oh hell yeah! I loved Munich when I went there. My favorite part of Germany.

108 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2014 5:01:53pm

Wind turbines on the horizon, looking from the roof of University of Glasgow’s Hunter Centre for Entrpreneurship:

Wind Turbines in Glasgow

109 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2014 5:03:38pm

gaw…I do NOT understand why some people (who have never been there) just automatically assume other countries are unable to support themselves…

110 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2014 5:04:14pm

Scotland…obviously an oafish country full of pub dwellers and sheep herders…

////////////////

111 klys  Sep 3, 2014 5:05:02pm

re: #110 Backwoods_Sleuth

Scotland…obviously an oafish country full of pub dwellers and sheep herders…

////////////////

Well. To be fair.

They do like their pubs.

(And their sheep.)

/ducks

112 HappyWarrior  Sep 3, 2014 5:06:45pm

re: #110 Backwoods_Sleuth

Scotland…obviously an oafish country full of pub dwellers and sheep herders…

////////////////

Not that there’s anything wrong with that. But yeah this idea that the Scots can’t handle independence I find patronizing.

113 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2014 5:07:45pm

To be fair, there also the wee coo:

wee coo

114 The War TARDIS  Sep 3, 2014 5:15:16pm

I give up.

Yes, I will try to do some more research, but I remain deeply skeptical of how this will work with independence., should it happen.

What really frustrates me here though is the fact that Aye - Pod somehow didn’t mean to be insulting? Cause no one has explained to me how it isn’t. I certainly am thinking twice about wanting to visit Scotland, if he is how the average Joe there acts.

115 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2014 5:24:59pm

re: #114 The War TARDIS

I give up.

Yes, I will try to do some more research, but I remain deeply skeptical of how this will work with independence., should it happen.

What really frustrates me here though is the fact that Aye - Pod somehow didn’t mean to be insulting? Cause no one has explained to me how it isn’t. I certainly am thinking twice about wanting to visit Scotland, if he is how the average Joe there acts.

Why does Scottish independence matter so much to you that you have invested that much outrage? Why do you even care so extremely? You obviously don’t trust the Scots to be able to determine their own future, and I wonder why that is…

And if you still perceive some sort of horrible and permanently damaging personal insult, to the extent that you ranted about Scottish independence, because Aye Pod made a comment about your attachment to your favorite TV show, well, I got nothing because you certainly have shown here that you don’t have any good opinion of the “average Joe” Scot.

116 klys  Sep 3, 2014 5:25:27pm

re: #114 The War TARDIS

I give up.

Yes, I will try to do some more research, but I remain deeply skeptical of how this will work with independence., should it happen.

What really frustrates me here though is the fact that Aye - Pod somehow didn’t mean to be insulting? Cause no one has explained to me how it isn’t. I certainly am thinking twice about wanting to visit Scotland, if he is how the average Joe there acts.

If you choose not to visit Scotland over this, it is by far your loss.

Second, for a lot of people …Dr. Who is not the end-all, be-all of the world. Which is fine. I actually don’t like it. Doesn’t bother me that other people do, but at most I think he was tweaking your nose and not deliberately trying to insult you horribly. I could be wrong, but …you can’t take it as a giant insult if someone else doesn’t like the show? Because otherwise you’re going to hate me.

117 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2014 5:35:29pm

re: #116 klys

I’ve been watching Dr Who since the 1960s. It’s gotten plot-thicky in recent years. I actually prefer the Red Dwarf series for total amusing BBC space and time travel amusement.
Red Dwarf has a ship’s cat (and he is FABULOUS!):
Red Dwarf Ship’s Cat

118 klys  Sep 3, 2014 5:37:33pm

re: #117 Backwoods_Sleuth

I sort of vaguely liked 9. The more recent crop of puppies have not been to my taste, and any horror tinges just end up freaking me out, so…

I guess the other thing is I can look at some fiction that has been absolutely meaningful to me in terms of worldview forming, etc., and still recognize that it has its aspects of complete and utter fluff that I should not expect other people to necessarily overlook.

119 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 3, 2014 5:40:13pm

re: #118 klys

I sort of vaguely liked 9. The more recent crop of puppies have not been to my taste, and any horror tinges just end up freaking me out, so…

I guess the other thing is I can look at some fiction that has been absolutely meaningful to me in terms of worldview forming, etc., and still recognize that it has its aspects of complete and utter fluff that I should not expect other people to necessarily overlook.

I vaguely liked 9 as well.
When it comes to characters, I’m really torn between HGTTG’s Marvin and RD’s Ship Cat.
I think Ship Cat must win out…because of teh Fabulous Factor.

ETA: but as you say, it’s all just fiction and real life must take precedence when the show is over.

120 The War TARDIS  Sep 3, 2014 6:02:16pm

re: #116 klys

I don’t like even being tweaked. I called the police on a few friends in college because they took my TV as an April Fool’s joke.

I don’t mind other people having different opinions. But I when I feel people are trying to pick on me, I respond as aggressively as possible. I don’t like being teased.

And, I do admit that, yes I was being over the top for saying I wouldn’t go to Scotland because one person is awful.

121 klys  Sep 3, 2014 6:12:33pm

re: #120 The War TARDIS

I don’t necessarily like being teased either, but my default response is not to lash out at the other person because of it.

If they’re doing it to be friendly, then I’m better off talking to them about it because it wasn’t meant to hurt and that should be taken into consideration in the response.

If they were doing it to be mean, then providing them with a response is exactly what they want.

You can’t dictate other people’s behavior and they’re not always going to fit into the neat box you might like them to be in.

122 goddamnedfrank  Sep 3, 2014 9:00:30pm

re: #114 The War TARDIS

What really frustrates me here though is the fact that Aye - Pod somehow didn’t mean to be insulting? Cause no one has explained to me how it isn’t.

You know what’s fucking lame, talking shit about a country you’ve never visited to someone who lives there, was born there, who knows its economy, culture and people intimately. Aye Pod (Jimmah) has been on LGF longer than the vast majority of the current commenters, he was spitting truth back when this place was a forrest of right wing war boners. So what if he “tweaked” you, and said you don’t know what you’re talking about, you don’t. He wasn’t being deceitful as you claimed either, and for the record, that was the real dick move in this thread.

Personally I couldn’t give a shit less how the vote goes, one way or the other, and I’m actually nominally Scottish, at least in terms of last name and heritage.

123 Aye Pod  Sep 3, 2014 11:54:47pm

re: #121 klys

re: #122 goddamnedfrank

Thanks, I appreciate that.

124 Aye Pod  Sep 3, 2014 11:58:06pm

Back to work, and Scottish politics, for me - catch you all later :)

125 Romantic Heretic  Sep 4, 2014 3:53:27am

Well, at any rate, good luck.

If you thought I was siding with the English and putting down Scotland, I wasn’t. I was just trying to point out that independence may solve some problems but give you others. Ones that Scotland might be in a worse position to deal with than the UK would be.

But, I’ll admit I oppose fragmenting countries because our species is too fragmented already. It creates differences where none exist. The future is coming is one where we all face it together or we all die.

126 The War TARDIS  Sep 4, 2014 1:25:44pm

I am sorry for accusing him of dishonesty.

I will take Romantic Heretic’s side. Though, if Scotland joined the Nordic Union, and that became more of a cohesive group, then I would support that.

127 The War TARDIS  Sep 4, 2014 1:32:18pm

I didn’t perceive myself as bashing Scotland until the end of yesterday. Could you show me where Frank, so I know for later?

128 Aye Pod  Sep 4, 2014 6:04:27pm

re: #127 The War TARDIS

Man, you need an emergency transfusion of self awareness.

This isn’t to rile you, but here’s what happened. You went about this in a snotty, arrogant fashion, from a position of ignorance, fishing for tidbits of shit from the anti-independence shit machine that is the UK press - which being a complete outsider with no real knowledge of the country you are unable to evaluate - and dispayed undeniable hostility towards Scotland and it’s people right from the beginning. Your reaction to my Dr Who joke - increasingly snotty and ignorant remarks about my country and myself - was fucked up.

I just spotted this shit nugget:

And, I do admit that, yes I was being over the top for saying I wouldn’t go to Scotland because one person is awful.

I think your idea of what someone being awful is like needs some re-calibration. Here, for example, is what it’s actually like when a Scottish person is being hostile to you: (NSFW)

Youtube Video

129 Aye Pod  Sep 4, 2014 6:15:30pm

re: #127 The War TARDIS

If you are interested in Scotland as more than a launchpad for some ill advised opinioneering on the web, do some proper research. The UK press, representing UK establishment interests is obviously utterly biased against the independence case. You have to work a little harder to see the other side of the story at all.

Next time you talk to a Scot you might want to be prepared to engage them in a real conversation instead of spewing a succession of casually acquired talking points.

130 Aye Pod  Sep 4, 2014 6:40:13pm

re: #125 Romantic Heretic

But, I’ll admit I oppose fragmenting countries because our species is too fragmented already. It creates differences where none exist.

Fragmenting countries doesn’t automatically mean fragmenting humanity. Scottish nationalism isn’t about rejecting anyones culture. It just isn’t that kind of nationalism. It’s about correcting the economic and social inequalities that the right wing politicians down south are advancing at an ever increasing rate. We have in Scotland only 1 Tory MP - that’s up from zero a couple of years ago btw - yet we have to live under a Tory Government - (I’m ignoring the fig leaf ‘coalition’ partners the Libdems - everyone else does including the Tories.) And not only that, we have a Tory goverment that is being pushed further to the right all the time by the popularity of UKIP in England.

The political and economic differences are extreme - that’s just fact. Culturally, though, we are very much alike in many ways, though obviously not the same. Same goes for the north/south divide in England itself. And that is of course one reason why progressives in England, particularly the north, are talking about devolved power for their region as well. It’s not just Scotland whose economy is being unbalanced by London. I’ve seen quite a few articles lately saying the rest of the UK needs to be reorganised too, and Scottish independence could be the trigger, if we get it.

131 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 6, 2014 1:55:35pm

Just saw this on my twitter TL:

132 Aye Pod  Sep 6, 2014 5:39:48pm

re: #131 Backwoods_Sleuth

Just saw this on my twitter TL:

[Embedded content]

We’ve got the momentum, there’s no doubt about that now. People are getting inspired now by the prospect of real democracy offered by Yes, whereas all No has to say is “woo!change!scary!” And it’s worth pointing out that out of the various pollsters, YouGov have consistently been the ones who gave the biggest lead to the ‘No’s so far, so this is quite something.

This is where we’ll see the No’s get really desperate.

133 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 6, 2014 5:45:47pm

Heya Jimmah!

Here’s another photo of one of my favorite places in Scotland (quite the hike to get there :D ):
Smoo Cave

134 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 6, 2014 5:49:37pm

oh, and if it’s Scotland, I do have to have a golf picture. This one from Fortrose, Black Isle:

135 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 6, 2014 5:51:30pm

re: #132 Aye Pod

We’ve got the momentum, there’s no doubt about that now. People are getting inspired now by the prospect of real democracy offered by Yes, whereas all No has to say is “woo!change!scary!” And it’s worth pointing out that out of the various pollsters, YouGov have consistently been the ones who gave the biggest lead to the ‘No’s so far, so this is quite something.

This is where we’ll see the No’s get really desperate.

12 days yet to go? I suspect it’s going to get ugly.

136 Aye Pod  Sep 6, 2014 6:14:16pm

re: #133 Backwoods_Sleuth

You’ve really captured the essential sogginess of Scotland in your pics. (Ice says we’re amphibious.) Makes me want to take a trip into the countryside :-)

137 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 6, 2014 6:15:29pm

re: #136 Aye Pod

You’ve really captured the essential sogginess of Scotland in your pics. (Ice says we’re amphibious.) Makes me want to take a trip into the countryside :-)

I loved the sogginess, if that is indeed what it was.
:D

138 Aye Pod  Sep 6, 2014 6:23:00pm

re: #135 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m expecting that we’ll get a fucked up mixture of bullshit promises and abject grovelling mixed with threats, and who knows, maybe a war in the M.E. with ground troop commitment before the 18th. Perhaps Cameron is begging Obama on that subject as we speak.

The UK establishment is fighting for it’s life here - who knows what it’s capable of. Hopefully nothing too crazy.

139 Aye Pod  Sep 6, 2014 6:26:45pm

Couple of edits there lol.

140 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 6, 2014 6:35:24pm

:D

141 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 8, 2014 10:31:28am

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Now rectified.


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Elvis Costello & the Imposters - Suspect My Tears The new deluxe album ‘Look Now’ out now, order here: elviscostello.lnk.to Explore more music from Elvis Costello: lnk.to Follow Elvis Costello:Facebook: facebook.comInstagram: instagram.comTwitter: twitter.comWebsite: elviscostello.com Director & Original Story - MustashrikExecutive Production - Whitney JacksonProduced by Partizan VFX Supervisor ...
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VULFPECK /// Half of the Way (Feat. Theo Katzman) VULFPECK /// Half of the Waybuy on bandcamp → vuuulf.com Theo Katzman — vocalsLarry Goldings — piano, composerRyan Lerman — guitar, composer, engineerJoey Dosik — saxWoody Goss — tambourineJack Stratton — drums, mixingJoe Dart — fender bassCory Wong — ...
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Storyhill - Blazing Out of Sight (Live at Radio Heartland)Storyhill perform "Blazing Out of Sight," from their 2007 self-titled album as well from the 2018 compilation, "Stages," live at Radio Heartland.
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How Smooth Jazz Took Over the ’90s You should give smooth jazz a chance. Subscribe to our channel! goo.gl Smooth jazz has gotten a bad rap for decades. It’s often associated with background music for elevators or the soundtrack at the dentist office. Smooth jazz is ...
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Feds Target Butina’s GOP Boyfriend as Foreign Agent Paul Erickson, a longtime Republican politico whose Russian girlfriend is in jail on charges she acted as a covert foreign agent, has been informed that he may face similar accusations. The Daily Beast reviewed a so-called “target letter” that ...
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Police: Charge Benjamin and Sara Netanyahu With Bribery in Telecom Case - Israel News - Haaretz.com The police and Israel Securities Authority on Sunday recommended indicting Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyau and his wife, Sara, as well as media mogul Shaul Elovitch and his wife, Iris, for bribery and other corruption charges in the investigation dubbed ...
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