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1 Rightwingconspirator  Sep 18, 2014 10:46:15am

Hmmm. Good poll?

Scottish independence: voters turn out for Scotland’s historic referendum - live
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2 1Peter G1  Sep 18, 2014 10:50:49am

This is awesome watching Americans call out for the Freedom and Liberty of Scotland. Who knew Todd Palin Alaskan Independence party member was a true Alaskan hero?

3 iceweasel  Sep 18, 2014 10:51:33am

re: #1 Rightwingconspirator

Hmmm. Good poll?

I honestly don’t know. The polls are limited because there are so many young voters, first time voters, and voters who haven’t voted in years— all groups polls find difficult to track.

Anecdotally, we do so far know one Yes voter who was turned away from the poll because, they said, he wasn’t registered. (not true, but there was a seperate registration for this, and many people, like him, might not have realised it.

4 iceweasel  Sep 18, 2014 10:52:17am

re: #2 1Peter G1

This is awesome watching Americans call out for the Freedom and Liberty of Scotland. Who knew Todd Palin Alaskan Independence party member was a true Alaskan hero?

Seriously? Is he a Yes vote? lol

5 Rightwingconspirator  Sep 18, 2014 11:01:39am

re: #2 1Peter G1

Kind of a rotten apple to ripe orange comparison there…

7 becominginvisible  Sep 18, 2014 12:32:24pm

re: #3 iceweasel

Sounds like they need to pass around “Voter Rights” lists on social media to make sure first timers know what is and isn’t allowed and what to do if they registered and are told they aren’t. I found it thrilling to hear how many first time voters there are for this. There were a lot of first time voters in the US for Obama and the Republicans were so outrageous at trying to dissuade new voters that Voter Rights lists were passed out everywhere.

8 iceweasel  Sep 18, 2014 1:27:12pm

re: #7 becominginvisible

Sounds like they need to pass around “Voter Rights” lists on social media to make sure first timers know what is and isn’t allowed and what to do if they registered and are told they aren’t. I found it thrilling to hear how many first time voters there are for this. There were a lot of first time voters in the US for Obama and the Republicans were so outrageous at trying to dissuade new voters that Voter Rights lists were passed out everywhere.

It’s been amazing, the youth vote is huge and so many of them are turning out— I was at a Yes rally yesterday and the energy and enthusiasm totally reminded me of Obama 2008

9 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 18, 2014 1:38:51pm

heh…

I’m aware that if you’re Scottish this is the last thing you need - someone who no longer lives there sticking their oar in. Wouldn’t a London-focused (I’ll be amazed if they leave that bit in) newspaper have at least one other number to call? If you’re used to the UK media, the referendum may simply seem disorientating: a possible redefinition of national identity as something inclusive and outgoing, extensive coverage suggesting that somewhere regional/foreign has significance - like the US. Or Chipping Norton. And if you’re a progressive based in England - or as the elegant wit of current British political debate would put it, a “leftard Guardianista moron” - you don’t want to be reminded that a yes vote will cast England into the thirteenth circle of hell, ruled over by the zombie corpse of Pinochet.

More at: Scottish independence: voting yes is just the start

10 1Peter G1  Sep 18, 2014 4:26:44pm

re: #5 Rightwingconspirator

Everybody says that isn’t a valid argument but I notice nobody says why. Alaska has a large aborignal population and vast resources that are developed not principally for the good of the aboriginal population. They have a better argument for independence than Scotland. Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. If Quebec should decide to separate their right to do so is already established by Canadian law and even by the rules put forward by the UN. Why exactly are these rights not recognized in the US?

11 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 18, 2014 4:38:24pm

re: #10 1Peter G1

Everybody says that isn’t a valid argument but I notice nobody says why. Alaska has a large aborignal population and vast resources that are developed not principally for the good of the aboriginal population. They have a better argument for independence than Scotland. Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. If Quebec should decide to separate their right to do so is already established by Canadian law and even by the rules put forward by the UN. Why exactly are these rights not recognized in the US?

You don’t know very much about the Native Corporations and how they control large parts of those “vast resources”.

12 jamesfirecat  Sep 18, 2014 5:38:13pm

re: #10 1Peter G1

Everybody says that isn’t a valid argument but I notice nobody says why. Alaska has a large aborignal population and vast resources that are developed not principally for the good of the aboriginal population. They have a better argument for independence than Scotland. Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. If Quebec should decide to separate their right to do so is already established by Canadian law and even by the rules put forward by the UN. Why exactly are these rights not recognized in the US?

Because the last time those “rights” existed in the US a bunch of dicks tried to use them as a way to perpetuate a system of letting them own people as property.

Said dicks have now poisoned the well on secession from the USA completely it is a no go subject not ever gonna happen, get used to it.

13 I Stand With Big Sodomy!  Sep 18, 2014 11:56:17pm

re: #10 1Peter G1

I am all for anyone in the U.S who want to leave to go. I will celebrate it!
Are you Canadian?


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