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1 aagcobb  Sep 18, 2014 1:31:03pm

Thanks! Should be interesting.

2 iceweasel  Sep 18, 2014 1:32:10pm

let’s have a little Proclaimers action to kick it off….

Youtube Video

3 becominginvisible  Sep 18, 2014 1:53:46pm

And my internet connection has quit flickering off and on. I am settling in with time 4 tv and the guardian live blog. Still laughing that the big media was too afraid to commission exit polls.

4 iceweasel  Sep 18, 2014 2:05:18pm

re: #3 becominginvisible

And my internet connection has quit flickering off and on. I am settling in with time 4 tv and the guardian live blog. Still laughing that the big media was too afraid to commission exit polls.

10 pm! Polls closed! Cars honking out there in the night. :)

5 becominginvisible  Sep 18, 2014 2:10:49pm

Yeowsa! 90 percent of people eligible to vote had registered. It will be interesting to see how many voted. Also oddly better to see media reporting bits of harassment from both sides, not that any harassment is acceptable. I was fretting a bit that there was only reported jerks from YES harassing people who voted NO.

6 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 18, 2014 2:13:09pm

I saw some shenanigans being reported on Twitter earlier. Apparently it was being rumored that several polling places closed hours early “because 100% had already voted”.
good grief…

7 becominginvisible  Sep 18, 2014 2:15:46pm

BBC is pondering what the Queen will say in the morning…..they haven’t mentioned please don’t raise my taxes.

8 iceweasel  Sep 18, 2014 2:15:56pm

re: #5 becominginvisible

Yeowsa! 90 percent of people eligible to vote had registered. It will be interesting to see how many voted. Also oddly better to see media reporting bits of harassment from both sides, not that any harassment is acceptable. I was fretting a bit that there was only reported jerks from YES harassing people who voted NO.

I think the actual percentage who is registered is something like 97%!

I’ve only seen No voters being assholes, and the mainstream media hasn’t been reporting it. Some no voter stabbed a yes voter in the face in Glasgow earlier

Yay, Aye Pod (jimmah) is here! Time to go play with him.

9 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 18, 2014 2:18:37pm

teehee

10 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 18, 2014 2:19:46pm

re: #6 Backwoods_Sleuth

I saw some shenanigans being reported on Twitter earlier. Apparently it was being rumored that several polling places closed hours early “because 100% had already voted”.
good grief…

11 becominginvisible  Sep 18, 2014 2:20:44pm

re: #8 iceweasel

Have fun ! (my duh comment for the day) and stay safe. Earlier I had only heard of a YES group hitting an elderly NO voter. It’s going to be side entertainment to see the press try to keep up with no exit polls. At least there is other news. Like St.Andrew’s allowing women to join.

12 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 18, 2014 3:03:47pm
13 Decatur Deb  Sep 18, 2014 3:06:06pm

re: #12 Backwoods_Sleuth

News crews have to fill 6 hours of live coverage with no new information. I expect shadow puppets & interpretive dance before 1am. #indyref

Put Local Hero on loop.

14 Dr Lizardo  Sep 18, 2014 3:15:20pm

re: #12 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

I figure nothing’s likely to be known definitively for at least another six hours or so, so the BBC and whatnot are gonna have to fill that time.

Unless all the polls were wrong, and it ends up a blowout one way or the other, it’s probably going down to the wire.

15 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 18, 2014 3:25:20pm
16 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 18, 2014 3:34:01pm

Note that it’s a turnout figure, not the actual vote count.

17 iceweasel  Sep 18, 2014 3:48:51pm

Jimmah and I are watching live coverage from Glasgow’s George Square over here:
new.livestream.com

What you won’t see on the BBC!

18 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 18, 2014 3:49:24pm

‘tis the silly hour now… :D

19 Sionainn  Sep 18, 2014 3:57:09pm

I’m going to laugh if the majority is “yes” because I’m reading the liveblog and they are leaning toward “no.” It reminds me of how some people thought Mitt Romney was winning until he didn’t. LOL.

20 becominginvisible  Sep 18, 2014 4:09:40pm

Pundits were sounding smug because of the YouGov poll and then started talking about the amount of new voters all over Scotland. They admitted that the new voters were the wild card because they aren’t voting traditional party and they have no way to predict how they would vote. I haven’t seen anything on where YouGov was polling. I also haven’t looked very far, my internet seems to be getting mucky slow again.

21 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 18, 2014 4:36:41pm

re: #20 becominginvisible

YouGov’s poll was an online poll. It’s pretty much worthless.

22 sagehen  Sep 18, 2014 4:38:22pm

re: #13 Decatur Deb

Put Local Hero on loop.

Not Trainspotting? Or Highlander (the real one. the only one.)

23 becominginvisible  Sep 18, 2014 4:44:56pm

re: #21 Backwoods_Sleuth

Interesting.

24 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 18, 2014 4:54:18pm

re: #23 becominginvisible

Interesting.

It’s like looking at Twitter hashtag trends and saying Aye is winning 3-to1.
The only thing that counts is the actual official vote.

25 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 18, 2014 4:56:24pm
26 becominginvisible  Sep 18, 2014 4:58:38pm

I wasn’t expecting the observers to comment publicly as the votes are counted.

27 becominginvisible  Sep 18, 2014 5:27:25pm

I’m sure this has been posted here before but it’s just perfect.

28 Aqua Obama  Sep 18, 2014 5:32:11pm

Clackmannanshire: 54% NO 46% YES

29 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 18, 2014 6:06:35pm

Orkney:

Yes: 4,883

No: 10,004

30 sagehen  Sep 18, 2014 6:13:35pm

Anybody want to tell me if Clakmannanshire or Orkney was expected to go a particular way? Is this result a bellwether of sorts?

31 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 18, 2014 6:15:08pm

re: #30 sagehen

Anybody want to tell me if Clakmannanshire or Orkney was expected to go a particular way? Is this result a bellwether of sorts?

I’m pretty sure Orkney was expected to be “No”.

32 Sionainn  Sep 18, 2014 6:22:46pm

re: #31 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m pretty sure Orkney was expected to be “No”.

Yes, I just read that Orkney was always figured to be a very solid “No.”

33 Sionainn  Sep 18, 2014 6:26:09pm

I can’t get over the huge voter turnout. That’s simply astounding to me.

34 aagcobb  Sep 18, 2014 6:31:10pm

re: #33 Sionainn

I can’t get over the huge voter turnout. That’s simply astounding to me.

Its not often you get to vote on an issue of such importance. I think one of the largest turnouts for an American election was in 1860.

35 Aqua Obama  Sep 18, 2014 6:34:40pm

re: #34 aagcobb

Its not often you get to vote on an issue of such importance. I think one of the largest turnouts for an American election was in 1860.

Yep. 81.2%! And half the country seceded when Lincoln got pretty much the biggest mandate ever but that’s a story for another thread

36 becominginvisible  Sep 18, 2014 6:43:02pm

re: #30 sagehen

As Backwoods_Sleuth and Sionainn stated Orkney is very conservative and was expected to have more no votes than they did. Clakmannanshire was expected to be predominantly yes. Together they are slightly under half of one percent of the total votes.

Compared to the apathy here in the US the numbers for the people who registered and who voted are simply stunning. The tv pundits are finally getting around to discussing the problems that caused the referendum. And as they get interesting I’m turning in for the evening. With the thought that if my fratboy neighbors wake me up around midnight I’ll get up and watch the returns with the sound a bit louder.

37 Aqua Obama  Sep 18, 2014 6:44:17pm

Shetland is NO 64% 36%

38 Skandal  Sep 18, 2014 6:46:13pm
39 Aqua Obama  Sep 18, 2014 6:53:40pm

Currently 41% YES 59% NO with 3 councils declared

40 sagehen  Sep 18, 2014 7:02:17pm

So where are we expecting the big Yes wins? Glasgow, and where else?

41 Aqua Obama  Sep 18, 2014 7:05:28pm

Comhairle nan Eilean Siar (Outer Hebrides): 53.4% NO 46.6% YES

42 Aqua Obama  Sep 18, 2014 7:37:43pm

Inverclyde: 50.1% NO 49.9 YES

43 sagehen  Sep 18, 2014 7:39:38pm

re: #42 Aqua Obama

Inverclyde: 50.1% NO 49.9 YES

More like, 50.01 to 49.99

27,329 to 27,243

In any US jurisdiction, that’s an automatic recount.

44 lostlakehiker  Sep 18, 2014 7:45:24pm

Exit polls say substantial lead for “no”. I expect that’s how it will end.

45 lostlakehiker  Sep 18, 2014 7:48:17pm

re: #35 Aqua Obama

Yep. 81.2%! And half the country seceded when Lincoln got pretty much the biggest mandate ever but that’s a story for another thread

Lincoln won in a blowout in the electoral college, and he got many more votes than any other candidate, but with things split four ways, if I recall he got less than half the popular vote.

The losers were exceedingly sore and there was endless trouble convincing them they’d lost.

46 Aqua Obama  Sep 18, 2014 8:00:50pm

Dundee: 57% YES 43% NO

Lincoln won in a blowout in the electoral college, and he got many more votes than any other candidate, but with things split four ways, if I recall he got less than half the popular vote.

Yeah, who knows what would have happened if the Democrats managed to put forward a united candidate but it’s interesting to note that Lincoln received more votes than any other presidential candidate up to that point, without being on the ballot in most southern states.

47 blueraven  Sep 18, 2014 8:02:42pm

re: #44 lostlakehiker

Exit polls say substantial lead for “no”. I expect that’s how it will end.

NO 178,811 50.91
YES 172,426 49.09

bbc.com

This is without any major cities in yet…so, chill.

48 lostlakehiker  Sep 18, 2014 8:08:02pm

Well, exit polls presumably include major cities. So though nothing is certain when it comes to polling, I’m betting the gap just widens.

49 blueraven  Sep 18, 2014 8:09:19pm

re: #48 lostlakehiker

Well, exit polls presumably include major cities. So though nothing is certain when it comes to polling, I’m betting the gap just widens.

Yes, remember Florida 2000.
Exit polls.

50 Aqua Obama  Sep 18, 2014 8:10:54pm

West Dumbartonshire: 54% YES 46% NO

51 Aqua Obama  Sep 18, 2014 8:13:47pm

Midlothian: 56.3% NO 43.7% YES

52 Aqua Obama  Sep 18, 2014 8:16:56pm

East Lothian: 61.7% NO 38.3% YES

53 lostlakehiker  Sep 18, 2014 8:17:32pm

The BBC isn’t going on the air while voting is still underway in West Scotland, saying that “Yes” has won, that the polls have closed across Scotland, and that prospective “no” voters may as well just stay home.

54 Aqua Obama  Sep 18, 2014 8:20:58pm

Stirling 59.8% NO 40.2% YES

90% turnout

55 The War TARDIS  Sep 18, 2014 8:21:20pm

re: #53 lostlakehiker

??

I should be home in 10. I have scottish background. I will explain from where.

Orkney is biggest contributer.

56 Aqua Obama  Sep 18, 2014 8:23:00pm

Falkirk: 53.5% NO 46.5% YES

57 De Kolta Chair  Sep 18, 2014 8:28:15pm

Lothlórien: 100% GALADRIEL

//

58 goddamnedfrank  Sep 18, 2014 8:29:42pm

re: #48 lostlakehiker

Well, exit polls presumably include major cities. So though nothing is certain when it comes to polling, I’m betting the gap just widens.

There is no true exit poll. All YouGov did was phone people at home that they’d already polled previously.

It’s probably still the NO campaign’s election to lose, but the polling is going to have the same problems polling outfits have here. Namely difficulty reaching first time voters, younger voters, and (possibly) cell phone users who also trend younger.

59 Aqua Obama  Sep 18, 2014 8:29:43pm

YES got whomped in Aberdeen

60 Aqua Obama  Sep 18, 2014 8:30:43pm

Angus is NO

61 Aqua Obama  Sep 18, 2014 8:31:45pm

Dumfries, the only council with a tory MP goes NO big time

62 Aqua Obama  Sep 18, 2014 8:34:35pm

East Renfrewshire goes NO

63 Aqua Obama  Sep 18, 2014 8:35:19pm

86% turnout so far

64 Aunty Entity Dragon  Sep 18, 2014 8:35:57pm

I’ve heard there is some real butthurt with the tories over all the promises made to Scotland for additional autonomy etc to keep the union together.

Fuck the tories. Repeatedly.

65 De Kolta Chair  Sep 18, 2014 8:37:18pm
66 Aunty Entity Dragon  Sep 18, 2014 8:38:21pm

Several major cities still out.

67 De Kolta Chair  Sep 18, 2014 8:39:33pm

Note to Li’l Chuckie Johnson:

68 The War TARDIS  Sep 18, 2014 8:41:55pm

I am home!

In family research I found quite a bit of Scottish in my family tree (though, no one ethnicity represents a majority)

My mom’s side seems to have links to the Orkney Islands, Argyll, Sutherland (a county til 1890). And it looks like some others. though I will need to research further.

69 De Kolta Chair  Sep 18, 2014 8:48:26pm

The Independent newspaper a few seconds ago:

North Lanarkshire is the 18th council to declare. The Labour heartland has opted for independence.
Yes: 115,783
No: 110,922

From the same source a few minutes ago (Johann Lamont is for No):

70 Aqua Obama  Sep 18, 2014 8:49:50pm

Perth and Kinross both NO

71 Aqua Obama  Sep 18, 2014 8:53:55pm

YES wins by 25,000 in Glasgow

72 The War TARDIS  Sep 18, 2014 8:54:32pm

re: #68 The War TARDIS

I admit, I gave up a few months ago when I found jack-nothin for several branches.

73 De Kolta Chair  Sep 18, 2014 8:58:05pm

Nine results left, including Edinburgh.

74 lostlakehiker  Sep 18, 2014 8:58:46pm

re: #64 Aunty Entity Dragon

I’ve heard there is some real butthurt with the tories over all the promises made to Scotland for additional autonomy etc to keep the union together.

Fuck the tories. Repeatedly.

Well, they’d bloody well best keep those promises, anyhow.

75 The War TARDIS  Sep 18, 2014 8:59:52pm

Hey, Argyll rather tiny.

The hell is it not reporting for.

76 De Kolta Chair  Sep 18, 2014 9:01:15pm

re: #75 The War TARDIS

Hey, Argyll rather tiny.

The hell is it not reporting for.

Argyll? Keep your socks on, laddy! ////

77 The War TARDIS  Sep 18, 2014 9:03:03pm

re: #76 De Kolta Chair

It’s also one of my home areas, along with Highlands and the Orkneys.

78 The War TARDIS  Sep 18, 2014 9:04:31pm

North Ayrshire goes no, 51-49

79 The War TARDIS  Sep 18, 2014 9:11:08pm

South Ayrshire goes no as well, 58-42.

80 The War TARDIS  Sep 18, 2014 9:12:52pm

East Ayrshire as well goes No, 53-47

81 Aqua Obama  Sep 18, 2014 9:22:21pm

BBC calls it NO

82 aagcobb  Sep 18, 2014 9:27:53pm

re: #81 Aqua Obama

BBC calls it NO

Wekk they got a commitment for significant new powers to devolve to Scotland, so that seems like a pretty good compromise.

83 De Kolta Chair  Sep 18, 2014 9:37:05pm

From the Guardian:

Nicola Sturgeon, deputy first minister of Scotland, concedes defeat. Severin Carrell sends these words from her:

‘There isn’t a yes vote tonight. We will be deeply disappointed but I have also been exhilerated by this campaign. I think that there’s two clear messages coming out of it; firstly the people of Scotland have clearly found their voice. Secondly with over one million voting for independence at this stage, there’s a big appetite for change. What we are not seeing, emphatically not, is any kind of endorsement of the status quo.’

Asked if she was conceding defeat, Sturgeon said: ‘I’m not denying the state of the results just now. I’m not trying to spin myself out of the reality of the result. There are still results to declare. We will need to see those results before we get the final tally, but its absolutely clear that there has been demand for change and let’s get that change delivered now.’

So, Guardian, she has or hasn’t conceded defeat?

84 Who_is_Jon_Snow?  Sep 18, 2014 10:55:04pm

The Guardian had posts on Salmond’s concession speech and Darling’s victory (?) speech. Current Tally at 0600 UTC is 44.6% Yes and 55.4% No.

85 I Stand With Big Sodomy!  Sep 18, 2014 11:39:35pm

Whad’ I miss????

86 Dr Lizardo  Sep 19, 2014 12:11:51am

Morning all. Well, it seems Scotland has voted to stay in the UK. So now what?

A pretty good, and fairly concise, roundup of that here from the Telegraph.

Alex Salmond has some tricky questions to answer

Having fought for a Yes and lost, Mr Salmond has to decide how to respond to defeat. Does he, as he said before the vote, accept the result and accept that no fresh question can be asked about independence for a generation? Or does he question the tactics of Better Together and, by implication, the legitimacy of the result? He will also face questions about his plans to remain Scottish National Party leader, and whether he will seek re-election as First Minister in the Scottish Parliament elections in May 2016.

But so does David Cameron…

In order to win the referendum, Mr Cameron - alongside Ed Miliband and Nick Clegg - made several promises to the Scots about what they would get if they remained in the Union: more power for the Scottish Parliament, and a permanent promise of more public money through the Barnett Formula.

Those promises must be delivered by MPs at Westminster, most of whom represent English seats. And many of them, including Tory ministers, say more “goodies” for the Scots must mean more political recognition for England. Conservative whips have advised the PM that he will only get his Scottish deal through Parliament if he devolves power to England too. Another constitutional can of worms is about to be opened.

And just to add to Mr Cameron’s joys, Ukip will attempt to exploit all of this by presenting itself as the only party prepared to stand up for England.

So though this part of the matter has been settled democratically through a popular vote - and with an enviously high turnout (bravo to the Scots on that one) - it has raised additional questions that will need to answered in the short to medium term.

blogs.telegraph.co.uk

87 Not Approved By The MPAA  Sep 19, 2014 1:54:08am

Interesting, but not entirely surprising. Scotland is kinda like the abused spouse who still finds security in the arrangement, y’know?

Advice to most of us here in the U.S. — “Braveheart” was just a movie and a silly one, at best. It had so very little to do with the actualities of that fight for Scottish independence, nor did it portray the Wallace character or the Robert The Bruce character in any fashion close to the truth … Just sayin’ …

It’s now up to Cameron to make good on all, or at least some, of the concessions he agreed to when he desperately pleaded for Scotland to remain within the confines of the union.

Of course, Cameron is a two-faced dick, not unlike Janus, who merely tell everyone what they want to hear as long as it guarantees he won’t be sidled with a vote of no confidence and gets to continue on with his post-Thatcher governing style.


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