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1 Origuy  Oct 21, 2014 5:48:12pm

One of my housemates uses Norco for back pain. He was able to get it at a Target pharmacy. The one he usually goes to was not able to get it in stock, but a nearby one was.

2 nines09  Oct 21, 2014 6:48:58pm

This is the stupidly insane side of laws. Crooked docs and crooked pharmas and when the shit hits the fan, the reality is that people who really need the meds get screwed. Under medicated and living in pain 24/7. Some life. Cannabis would definitely help them, but heaven forbid, we don’t have all the information in on pot and the long term ramifications of the banal talking points of denying medical marijuana to our citizens. Legalize pot and save billions, make billions and help people who could benefit from it. The down side of pot is miniscule compared to just alcohol alone. Sanity and common sense demands legalization. Big pharma pumping out incredibly addictive drugs, but pot is evil. Right. Sure. Youbetcha.

3 EiMitch  Oct 21, 2014 7:08:06pm

The war on drugs has always been about the illusion of control. Someone wants to say they’ve done something about something because its good for their career.

4 Vicious Piebola  Oct 21, 2014 7:15:47pm

There is some kind of mindset here that enduring pain is some kind of “character builder” just like “pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps out of poverty”

5 nines09  Oct 21, 2014 7:29:25pm

re: #4 Vicious Piebola

There is some kind of mindset here that enduring pain is some kind of “character builder” just like “pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps out of poverty”

If you have ever witnessed the dilemma of a person who is over 65 and has cancer, is in pain, and may live 5 years, give or take, and the doctors are concerned about giving pain medication because of the possibility of becoming dependent on it you’ve witnessed clinical stupidity. My mother suffered needlessly, because of ignorance like that. I wanted to hurt people at that time, thank goodness I did not.

6 missliberties  Oct 21, 2014 8:28:49pm

I work in home health care. The rules have been much stricter for several years now.

It is stupid to punish people who need pain medication because a few stupid people abuse it.

Just so you know, if you freaking overdose on pills, it ain’t the doctors fault. It’s your fault for taking too much medication.

Doctors are now much more cautious in prescribing medication because of computer tracking and stricter laws designed to prevent drug abuse.

You can see a specialized pain doctor at a hospital or a clinic and people in chronic pain can still get morphine, and yes even oxycodone etc. You have to go every month. Some folks have to go every two weeks. But in some cases they still make exceptions. You just have to be unashamed and adamant about your pain management needs.

7 6monkeys  Oct 21, 2014 9:56:52pm

Ugh! I feel so bad for everyone who is now having to deal with all these hoops, and I selfishly hope the rules get reevaluated soon. I have two chronic diseases, both with pain associated, and I’ve been very much against pain medication. Not because I think they are bad, but I’m only 38 and I will have these diseases for the rest of my life, so I worry about building up a tolerance to pain medicine. I’m at the point where I finally asked my fibro doctor for a rescue medication to use and she suggested gabapentin (Neurontin) which I have used many times and it never helps. On the one hand I am glad my doctor is not just throwing pills at me, but on the other hand, pain is impacting my daily life. I spend a lot of time in bed, and with 6 kids and being a full-time college student, it is difficult to do what I need to do every day when I’m needing to lay down so often during the day.

I just really wish there wasn’t such a hangup around pain medication. I really hope those who need the medicine are able to get it. Pain medicine is not a big evil thing. Pain is the evil thing.

8 Three Chord Monty  Oct 21, 2014 10:21:43pm

Unfortunately Gabapentin is not well understood; many docs shied away from it after Dateline did a hit piece on it more than 10 years ago. Anecdotally, most people I’ve ever spoken to who have taken it are given relatively small doses. Less than 1,000 mg in a day. Some years back, I saw a neurologist who started me at 2,400 mg—for starters—and brought me up to more than double that amount. He had some people on 10,000 mg a day. I’d hear all this stuff about nasty side effects from people taking 100mg, 300, 900. I take around 5,000 mg every day and it seems to work better and be more tolerated at a high dosage.

Obviously not medical advice; just my experience over the years. But even when it’s at its best it’s not exactly a pain killer. I take different meds…but have had to deal with twice a month visits and no refills for many years now. As hard as it is for me to get out, it sucks, but I’ve had to get used to it. What they’re doing…seems like the least worst of a list of choices if they’re trying to do something about a problem.

But it seems like they’ve created another—let’s fight drug abuse by making it more difficult for people who need the meds to get them. And then I see these horribly gut-wrenching commercials about how family members are lost to prescription painkiller abuse…

9 Vicious Piebola  Oct 22, 2014 4:15:00am

It’s hard to believe anyone could overdose on Vicodin. If they did, they probably poisoned themselves with the acetaminophen (Tylenol) component which can be very toxic in excessive amounts.

10 Vicious Piebola  Oct 22, 2014 4:19:26am

Number of people who overdose on Vicodin in 2013: 113 (from acetaminophen poisoning, not the hydrocodone component)

Number of people who die from gun violence in 2013: 9,900

11 iossarian  Oct 22, 2014 11:10:15am

re: #10 Vicious Piebola

Number of people who overdose on Vicodin in 2013: 113 (from acetaminophen poisoning, not the hydrocodone component)

Number of people who die from gun violence in 2013: 9,900

It’s a shame there’s nothing about a well-regulated pharmaceutical industry in the Constitution.

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