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1 HappyWarrior  Nov 11, 2014 2:01:59pm

So obviously we need to repeal it.

2 nines09  Nov 11, 2014 2:42:07pm

I’m still astounded at the abject ignorance of those who would cheer pre existing conditions being a death sentence. And how dare you be able to insure your kid on your premium who may go to graduate school? Who do you think you are? Government taking over health care. Shoved down your throat. Dolts.

3 stockman  Nov 11, 2014 3:04:33pm

thefiscaltimes.com

You can’t believe everything Ezra Klein says

4 Kid A  Nov 11, 2014 3:10:48pm

re: #3 stockman

thefiscaltimes.com

You can’t believe everything Ezra Klein says

You should really read the things you post, you fucking moron.

To be sure, health premiums increase each year and have long before Obamacare. Now, health experts say that because of several provisions in the law, premium price growth is actually slowing.

5 stockman  Nov 11, 2014 3:14:38pm

You do know the difference between a decrease and an increase, don’t you?

Read the bit about increased deductibles, which is where the bite is.

You need to do a bit more reading yourself. Moron.

6 dog philosopher  Nov 11, 2014 3:26:45pm

re: #5 stockman

You do know the difference between a decrease and an increase, don’t you?

Read the bit about increased deductibles, which is where the bite is.

You need to do a bit more reading yourself. Moron.

just last week i got a notice that my company is changing health plans to one that cost the same, but where the max out of pocket per year is half that of the previous plan

put that in your anecdotal evidence and smoke it

7 stockman  Nov 11, 2014 3:30:24pm

news.investors.com

I think you’re providing the anecdote, but in reality, premiums are rising, deductibles are increasing, and physician networks are tightening.

8 dog philosopher  Nov 11, 2014 3:33:25pm

re: #7 stockman

news.investors.com

I think you’re providing the anecdote, but in reality, premiums are rising, deductibles are increasing, and physician networks are tightening.

how do they account for the fact that premiums and deductibles were rising for many years before obamacare?

it’s not like health insurance only became expensive just this year

9 b_sharp  Nov 11, 2014 3:36:15pm

re: #7 stockman

news.investors.com

I think you’re providing the anecdote, but in reality, premiums are rising, deductibles are increasing, and physician networks are tightening.

Show me the numbers.

10 Skip Intro  Nov 11, 2014 3:39:54pm

There’s always been a perfectly good alternative to the ACA. It’s called single payer, and it’s used in most first world countries, except this one (assuming we still are a first world country).

11 Kid A  Nov 11, 2014 3:40:35pm

re: #7 stockman

news.investors.com

I think you’re providing the anecdote, but in reality, premiums are rising, deductibles are increasing, and physician networks are tightening.

Any more drive-by bullshit you’d like to enlighten us with, considering you average about a post a decade?

12 calochortus  Nov 11, 2014 3:49:19pm

re: #7 stockman

news.investors.com

I think you’re providing the anecdote, but in reality, premiums are rising, deductibles are increasing, and physician networks are tightening.

I gather you don’t buy your own health insurance?
Rates have been rising by 11-12% per year for us for a long, long time. Oh. Until last year, when the increase was more like 7%. This year? Just under 4% and some of the co-pays have dropped. It’s an HMO, so there are virtually no deductibles.
No change in physician networks.

13 dog philosopher  Nov 11, 2014 3:49:30pm

…in other news, hamburgers cost ten times what they did 30 years ago because the fda exists

14 dog philosopher  Nov 11, 2014 3:50:25pm

re: #12 calochortus

I gather you don’t buy your own health insurance?
Rates have been rising by 11-12% per year for us for a long, long time. Oh. Until last year, when the increase was more like 7%. This year? Just under 4% and some of the co-pays have dropped. It’s an HMO, so there are virtually no deductibles.
No change in physician networks.

post hoc, propter whatever is my bugaboo of the moment

15 blueraven  Nov 11, 2014 3:58:33pm

re: #7 stockman

news.investors.com

I think you’re providing the anecdote, but in reality, premiums are rising, deductibles are increasing, and physician networks are tightening.

LOL . You are sourcing IBD?
Try World Nut Daily…it is just about as reliable.

16 Skip Intro  Nov 11, 2014 3:59:54pm

re: #15 blueraven

LOL . You are sourcing IBD?
Try World Nut Daily…it is just about as reliable.

IBD is the Breitbart News of the financial world.

17 nines09  Nov 11, 2014 4:14:23pm

re: #3 stockman

thefiscaltimes.com

You can’t believe everything Ezra Klein says

And I believe what you say because? Every year that I worked and was covered by an employee health plan, be it an HMO, third paty, or self insured, the costs increased and the availability of my choices of doctors and surgeons went down. Also, being insured meant that when my child developed, isn’t that a wonderful word, leukemia, the hospitals and insurance company would throw the bill back and forth until it landed in my lap, between “experimental” and “beyond reasonable and customary”. I was threatened with a fucking Sheriffs sale because I thought that if I acted in good faith and paid what I could afford every month all would be fine. I was wrong. It was, to them, as if I bought a TV and could not make payments. They could call that marker in at any time. So you, posting that a tightening of networks is somehow the result of Obamacare is; Just. A. Fucking. Lie. That premiums dropped one tenth of one percent would be good news. I would hope that you never have to go through what my family did, and many others. And if someone you cared for has, or will get, a pre existing condition, you may understand. Up until that point STFU.

18 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 11, 2014 4:21:37pm

re: #17 nines09

Not Enough Updings for this!!!

19 nines09  Nov 11, 2014 4:24:35pm

re: #18 Backwoods_Sleuth

Thank you. Deadbolts abound and I’ve about had my fill.

20 Skip Intro  Nov 11, 2014 4:26:15pm

Everybody will eventually have a pre-existing condition.

When I had to go it alone in the robust health insurance “free” market 20 years ago, I was denied by every insurer I applied to because - wait for it - I was on medication for high blood pressure.

Yup, that’s all it took to get a denial back in the good old days.

Fortunately I was able to get a guaranteed issue policy because the evil old government said I had to be offered it if I was coming off a COBRA policy.

So they did, at the maximum deductible and 400% of the regular price.

I’ve been fortunate in that I was able to afford this coverage for 20 years. Most wouldn’t be able to.

During that time, my premiums went up around 10% a year, except on age milestones when they went up 20%+, and deductibles were added where none had been before.

But this is the world the GOP wants to return us to, sans the guaranteed issue part.

Fuckers.

21 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 11, 2014 4:27:51pm

re: #20 Skip Intro

My “pre-existing condition” was menopause.

22 blueraven  Nov 11, 2014 4:34:59pm

re: #21 Backwoods_Sleuth

My “pre-existing condition” was menopause.

Your pre-existing condition began the day you were born a female.

23 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 11, 2014 4:35:14pm

re: #22 blueraven

Your pre-existing condition began the day you were born a female.

yep

24 Ebolangelus  Nov 11, 2014 4:35:17pm

re: #17 nines09

25 Kid A  Nov 11, 2014 4:56:52pm

re: #17 nines09

26 Kid A  Nov 11, 2014 5:05:24pm

Last year I developed a mild case (they call it “working”) of pneumonia. I went to a clinic run by a major provider here in the Houston area (Memorial Hermann). I was asked questions, x-rayed, diagnosed, given some kind of fluid to inhale for thirty minutes and a steroid shot in the rear end, was prescribed antibiotics and sent home. The entire experience took an hour-and-a-half. The bill? $3,600. $3,600!!!!! I have insurance that took care of a nice chunk, leaving me owing just over a grand. They let me out for about $600. Why, I have no idea. That $3,600 is a lot of freaking money, and many people just don’t have it. And if they don’t have it or don’t pay, they are screwed. Bye bye credit…

27 Lumberhead  Nov 11, 2014 5:05:57pm

re: #20 Skip Intro

Everybody will eventually have a pre-existing condition.

When I had to go it alone in the robust health insurance “free” market 20 years ago, I was denied by every insurer I applied to because - wait for it - I was on medication for high blood pressure.

Yup, that’s all it took to get a denial back in the good old days.

Fortunately I was able to get a guaranteed issue policy because the evil old government said I had to be offered it if I was coming off a COBRA policy.

So they did, at the maximum deductible and 400% of the regular price.

I’ve been fortunate in that I was able to afford this coverage for 20 years. Most wouldn’t be able to.

During that time, my premiums went up around 10% a year, except on age milestones when they went up 20%+, and deductibles were added where none had been before.

But this is the world the GOP wants to return us to, sans the guaranteed issue part.

Fuckers.

When I had employer provided coverage my premiums went up as much as 50% some years. Not only that, even if I liked my doctor I couldn’t always keep him or her. When I was working in the corporate world there were plenty of times the company changed healthcare providers and the doctor I was using wasn’t always part of the new network. Somehow this all became a problem only with Obamacare.

28 nines09  Nov 11, 2014 5:19:03pm

re: #26 Kid A

Last year I developed a mild case (they call it “working”) of pneumonia. I went to a clinic run by a major provider here in the Houston area (Memorial Hermann). I was asked questions, x-rayed, diagnosed, given some kind of fluid to inhale for thirty minutes and a steroid shot in the rear end, was prescribed antibiotics and sent home. The entire experience took an hour-and-a-half. The bill? $3,600. $3,600!!!!! I have insurance that took care of a nice chunk, leaving me owing just over a grand. They let me out for about $600. Why, I have no idea. That $3,600 is a lot of freaking money, and many people just don’t have it. And if they don’t have it or don’t pay, they are screwed. Bye bye credit…

Anyone who has insurance through an employer and has a bill can look at the charges, and then what was paid by your insurance. Try that on your own. We are friends with a couple who my wife met during my sons chemo. Their son had a brain tumor and died. They have a lein on their house, and when they die, that house will be sold to pay that outstanding bill. I spoke with so many people in my life and until a piece of the sky hits them or a loved one, they are either clueless or just naïve. They charg(ed) the FULL AMOUNT to those less fortunate. My son survived, is happily married, and is a civil engineer. He is 30 something. He “developed” leukemia at the age of 3. We were worried back then that he would be uninsurable. For life. And if ever the unthinkable was to happen, be forever ruined. My wife still worries about what may be. I will forever be the “So far, so good” boy. Self preservation.

29 b_sharp  Nov 11, 2014 5:31:50pm

I am so sorry you guys have to go through this shit. I had no idea the American health system was so fucked up.

30 nines09  Nov 11, 2014 5:34:41pm

re: #29 b_sharp

I am so sorry you guys have to go through this shit. I had no idea the American health system was so fucked up predatory.

31 EPR-radar  Nov 11, 2014 5:40:30pm

re: #17 nines09

Amen. This is why it was such a huge mistake for Democratic congressional candidates to run away from Obama and Obamacare.

Running for improved heath coverage gives the candidate all kinds of opportunities to talk about the way the reforms can help people, all kinds of opportunities to talk about the bad old days of pre-existing condition bullshit, and all kinds of opportunities to hammer the GOP for their insistence that no reforms were needed at all.

The fact that the GOP health care plan, in its entirety, is: “1) Don’t get sick, 2) If you get sick, die quickly” should have been plastered all over the country by the Democrats in a nationwide campaign.

Instead too many (D) candidates curled up in the fetal position and didn’t affirmatively stand for anything.

32 Amory Blaine  Nov 11, 2014 5:46:28pm

Ha ha yeah I love getting schooled by morans who think premiums rising is new. Newsflash fuckface, premiums have been rising double digits for decades. Just because you crawled out of your mommy’s home into your first job don’t mean you know shit. Plus IBD? The editorial board that claimed if Steven Hawking had to rely on a socialistic model of health care that he’d be dead? You’re a fucking putz.

33 nines09  Nov 11, 2014 5:52:58pm

re: #31 EPR-radar

Amen. This is why it was such a huge mistake for Democratic congressional candidates to run away from Obama and Obamacare.

Running for improved heath coverage gives the candidate all kinds of opportunities to talk about the way the reforms can help people, all kinds of opportunities to talk about the bad old days of pre-existing condition bullshit, and all kinds of opportunities to hammer the GOP for their insistence that no reforms were needed at all.

The fact that the GOP health care plan, in its entirety, is: “1) Don’t get sick, 2) If you get sick, die quickly” should have been plastered all over the country by the Democrats in a nationwide campaign.

Instead too many (D) candidates curled up in the fetal position and didn’t affirmatively stand for anything.

I’m still trying to figure out why Grimes (In Kentucky) wouldn’t say she voted for Obama. She’s a Democrat. Running for office as a Democrat. In a state that McConnell almost owns. And the citizens of Kentucky have Obamacare and over 400 THOUSAND are now insured that did not have insurance before Obamacare. And she wouldn’t say. She could have said…. Brilliant. That about summed up the entire Democratic response to the shit flinging lie machine formerly known as the GOP.

34 Lumberhead  Nov 11, 2014 5:54:36pm

re: #31 EPR-radar

Amen. This is why it was such a huge mistake for Democratic congressional candidates to run away from Obama and Obamacare.

For some reason they thought that voters that hated Obama and Obamacare were going to forget that they were Democrats. On top of that, Democratic voters weren’t going to notice that they were running from the President and his signature policy. Somehow this was all going to motivate the Democratic coalition to get out and vote.

35 Lumberhead  Nov 11, 2014 6:01:10pm

re: #33 nines09

I’m still trying to figure out why Grimes (In Kentucky) wouldn’t say she voted for Obama. She’s a Democrat. Running for office as a Democrat. In a state that McConnell almost owns. And the citizens of Kentucky have Obamacare and over 400 THOUSAND are now insured. And she wouldn’t say. She could have said…. Brilliant. That about summed up the entire Democratic response to the shit flinging lie machine formerly known as the GOP.

This. Exactly this. There was no better red state to run on Obamacare. It was pretty much a success. Why not educate the voters about the fact that Kynect was Obamacare?

36 EPR-radar  Nov 11, 2014 6:07:58pm

re: #34 Lumberhead

For some reason they thought that voters that hated Obama and Obamacare were going to forget that they were Democrats. On top of that, Democratic voters weren’t going to notice that they were running from the President and his signature policy. Somehow this was all going to motivate the Democratic coalition to get out and vote.

To add to that, any persuadables in the middle aren’t going to be impressed by something as feeble as a (D) candidate not saying that she voted for a POTUS of her own party.

Back in my independent voter days, it would have been inconceivable for me to vote for such a coward. No comparison of policy positions would have been needed.

37 dog philosopher  Nov 11, 2014 6:08:13pm

re: #35 Lumberhead

This. Exactly this. There was no better red state to run on Obamacare. It was pretty much a success. Why not educate the voters about the fact that Kynect was Obamacare?

educate uses words and numbers and merely opens the door to more lying

democratic candidates have learned to be afraid of the lying

38 nines09  Nov 11, 2014 6:12:12pm

re: #35 Lumberhead

Ask the Democratic Party. I did. I got no response. To me that was a sign of weakness, that you, who profess to be a member of a political persuasion, will not even stand with the most powerful member of not only your party, but the fucking POTUS. To the ordinary non politicized person, that just screams weakness. Witness the GOP, who will never say a disparaging remark about the most insane pea brained self abusing member of their Cult Cargo. Then stand in awe of the suicidal. Thanks. Appreciate that. And we make fun and laugh? Not funny. Sad, and disturbing, but not funny.

39 Lumberhead  Nov 11, 2014 6:19:17pm

re: #37 dog philosopher

educate uses words and numbers and merely opens the door to more lying

democratic candidates have learned to be afraid of the lying

And we see the result.

40 Lumberhead  Nov 11, 2014 6:20:58pm

re: #38 nines09

Witness the GOP, who will never say a disparaging remark about the most insane pea brained self abusing member of their Cult Cargo.

See John McCain/Sarah Palin.

41 De Kolta Chair  Nov 11, 2014 7:06:12pm

42 calochortus  Nov 11, 2014 7:20:08pm

re: #21 Backwoods_Sleuth

My “pre-existing condition” was menopause.

Mine, at the age of 30, was a biopsy that showed I didn’t have breast cancer (or any other sort of tumor.) I’m still trying to figure that out.

43 nines09  Nov 11, 2014 7:32:48pm

re: #42 calochortus

Mine, at the age of 30, was a biopsy that showed I didn’t have breast cancer (or any other sort of tumor.) I’m still trying to figure that out.

You were exposed to the “Well, they just might spring a leak and we might have to have to pay to clean it up” policy. Biopsy? Did you have problems? We’ll get back to you. I’m still incensed with Mike “I’m A Fucking Christian, Mother Fucker” Huckabee and his brain dead ass licking minions. “Well just imagine that a person was property. And that property was damaged. Burned down, actually. Then they tried to insure that property after it had burned down.” Yes. Mike. You. Ass. Hole. Now a human being is….Property. Where, oh where, did I hear that before? Human being equals property. If Christ came back….


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