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1 Dark_Falcon  Nov 22, 2014 8:20:59am

Perhaps he bumped into something or lost his balance and the gun went off. No one thinks this one was deliberate and its being investigated properly.

2 HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2014 8:24:15am

Agh.

3 Randall Gross  Nov 22, 2014 8:41:50am

I read a local news report on this, the story goes that he had his gun in one hand, flashlight in the other, and tried to open the stairwell door with the gun hand, causing the misfire. I want to know why he had the gun out if he wasn’t pursuing someone. Are cops now so paranoid from watching cop dramas with their multiple gun scrums per episode that they think they need their gun out every time they open a door?

4 Indy GOP Refugee  Nov 22, 2014 9:22:30am

re: #3 Randall Gross

That’s raw stupid inexperience. This is why I sincerely believe most police academies are coming up a year or two short of what it takes to fold excellent gun & gear handling skills in with the dozens of other things they have to get right.

5 Lumberhead  Nov 22, 2014 10:40:41am

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

Perhaps he bumped into something or lost his balance and the gun went off. No one thinks this one was deliberate and its being investigated properly.

I probably should have been clearer in making my point.

I don’t think the officer intended to kill him or anyone. However, firing blindly in the dark at a shadowy figure would not be accidental in my book. I thought that was a likely scenario. To put it another way, the killing might be accidental but the firing of the gun wouldn’t fit that characterization.

As to the investigation, you’re making an assumption that I’m not prepared to make.

6 Lumberhead  Nov 22, 2014 10:43:16am

re: #3 Randall Gross

Thanks for the additional info. As you point out, that explanation still leaves some unanswered questions.

7 Lumberhead  Nov 22, 2014 10:46:32am

re: #4 Indy GOP Refugee

Right now it’s hard to imagine that poor training wasn’t a huge part of this. Either in how to handle the weapon or when to remove it from the holster.

8 Dark_Falcon  Nov 22, 2014 12:06:35pm

re: #7 Lumberhead

Right now it’s hard to imagine that poor training wasn’t a huge part of this. Either in how to handle the weapon or when to remove it from the holster.

Its possible also that he was properly trained (the NYPD does a better job training than most) but that he ignored his training. He was sent into a pretty scary environment and every now and then someone gets through training only to fail when they have to accomplish a very demanding task in the real world. Even the best training can’t weed out all of the problem cases.

9 goddamnedfrank  Nov 22, 2014 1:46:55pm

The current culture in police departments is to advance officer safety in front of damned near every other consideration. They repeatedly stress how if an officer fears for their life or the life of their partner that damned near any use of force can be retroactively made nominally justifiable. That’s generally why this kind of shit happens.

10 Lumberhead  Nov 22, 2014 2:22:03pm

re: #9 goddamnedfrank

This is exactly right and that was my initial suspicion of what happened here. An inexperienced officer, scared out of his mind, shooting first and asking questions later. The embodiment of “rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6” mentality that is pervasive in law enforcement. Policing is an inherently dangerous job. If you can’t accept that then another line of work should be found.

11 gwangung  Nov 22, 2014 2:24:32pm

re: #3 Randall Gross

I read a local news report on this, the story goes that he had his gun in one hand, flashlight in the other, and tried to open the stairwell door with the gun hand, causing the misfire.

Bleah. If that’s what happened, that’s still on him, as it’s a training failure (or brain failure). Idiot.


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