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1 Randall Gross  Nov 24, 2014 7:33:03am

Very disheartening.

2 sagehen  Nov 24, 2014 7:53:39am
…damage Israel’s relations with Jews in other countries…

Count me as a Jew in another country who doesn’t like this.

3 Ace-o-aces  Nov 24, 2014 8:20:58am

Is there a translation of what the bill actually says?

4 CuriousLurker  Nov 24, 2014 8:41:19am

re: #3 Ace-o-aces

Is there a translation of what the bill actually says?

I couldn’t find anything but the site Jspace News—which I’d never heard of until 5 minutes ago and therefore can’t vouch for—says (emphasis added):

There are actually three different proposals for the text of the bill. One was submitted by Likud MK Zev Elkin. Elkin, who is also the coalition chairman, proposed legislation that is considered the strongest worded of the three proposals - his bill states that Israel is the national homeland of the Jewish people and the right of self-determination there is exclusively for the Jewish people. It also specifies Hebrew as the only official language of the country.

Another submission was presented by three members of the Knesset - MK Ayelet Shaked of the HaBayit HaYehudi (Jewish Home) party, MK Yariv Levin of the Likud, and Robert Ilatov of Yisrael Beiteinu (Israel Is Our Home) party. This proposal does not include a clause about Hebrew language, and does include a statement affirming Israel as a democratic state.

Both versions designate Jewish state symbols such as the national anthem and seal, the use of the Hebrew calendar, and freedom of access to holy places.

A third proposal is to be submitted by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu (Likud), though it has not been written yet. […]

jspacenews.com

5 CuriousLurker  Nov 24, 2014 8:54:30am

I wonder if Geller will now start shrieking about the potential dangers of Jewish supremacism to Israel’s democracy. I’m not gonna hold my breath… //

6 Romantic Heretic  Nov 24, 2014 9:46:12am

What you resist, you become. - Old Taoist aphorism.

7 cinesimon  Nov 24, 2014 11:33:12am

“Nationality” bill.
How very cute.
It’s a theocracy bill.

8 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 24, 2014 11:54:01am

As usual, unbridled nationalism brings nothing good forth, be it in Israel, Russia or the US.

9 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 24, 2014 11:57:33am

re: #7 cinesimon

“Nationality” bill.
How very cute.
It’s a theocracy bill.

Not sure it can be called a theocracy bill. It’s an ethnocracy/ethnic nationalism bill, if you will.

10 cinesimon  Nov 24, 2014 12:10:45pm

re: #9 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

But Judaism is a religion, no?
They’re formalizing the political ideology of the hard right: that Israel is purely a Jewish state, and they want to incorporate Jewish law into the bill(whether the Knesset can swallow that remains to be seen, of course). They’re simply formalizing what has been happening over the past 20 years.
I see no ethnic related issues in the bill. Unless they’re (re)defining Judaism. But that would be a bill that hasn’t be voted upon, I believe. They’re still acknowledging African and Slavic Jews, are they not?

11 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 24, 2014 1:33:12pm

re: #10 cinesimon

But Judaism is a religion, no?

Not every Jew is a follower of Judaism.

12 goddamnedfrank  Nov 24, 2014 1:47:42pm
… states that Israel is the national homeland of the Jewish people and the right of self-determination there is exclusively for the Jewish people.

I don’t know how to read the bolded part as anything other than telling non ethnically Jewish Muslim, Druze, Christian and Agnostic / Atheist citizens that they shouldn’t even be allowed to vote. What is self determination other than the right and ability to participate in the democracy?

13 cinesimon  Nov 24, 2014 2:11:44pm

re: #11 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

That’s entirely besides the issue. And certainly irrelevant to the legislation at hand.

14 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 24, 2014 2:22:12pm

re: #13 cinesimon

That’s entirely besides the issue. And certainly irrelevant to the legislation at hand.

That’s absolutely relevant to your characterization of this as a theocratic bill.

It is, indeed, a nationality (ethnicity) bill. Whatever religious component it might contain is there because of the historical connection between the religion of Judaism and the Jewish people as an ethnic group. The goals of this bill are first of all secular.

15 goddamnedfrank  Nov 24, 2014 2:24:38pm

re: #13 cinesimon

That’s entirely besides the issue. And certainly irrelevant to the legislation at hand.

Not really. It’s primarily an ethno-nationalism bill. There are very few non-ethnically Jewish religious Jews, as the religion actively discourages conversion. It doesn’t bar conversion outright, but it deliberately makes the process laborious in order to weed out all but those truly committed to becoming Jews. Under this law ethnically Jewish atheists are still Jewish, and there are probably a lot more of them than there are non-ethnically Jewish converts to Judaism.


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