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1 KerFuFFler  Dec 8, 2014 6:59:17am
An emergency room physician or EMT could refuse service to a gay person in need of immediate treatment.

???

What strongly held belief could possibly justify refusing to help people. especially someone who could die? People are free to believe that others are going to Hell, but that does not give them the right to deny service. Saving the life of a gay person does not make one complicit in homosexuality.

I have a little more respect for the idea of being unwilling to dispense medications that are against their religious principles. In such a case a religious person may feel complicit———so then they should not go into pharmacy! People with unusually strong beliefs have always had to make sacrifices to maintain their religious scruples; it is wrong to expect everyone else in society to sacrifice their rights to accommodate them.

So, when pacifists withhold the proportion of taxes that go to the pentagon, will their religious beliefs be honored? This is madness.

2 nines09  Dec 8, 2014 7:11:14am

re: #1 KerFuFFler

A matter of faith should never inject into professional or business dealings. I can’t even see any good intent in this law. It’s raw meat to the drooling jackals who see their world as the only world. And they are neither Christian nor Muslim nor Jew or Hindu. “I would love to help you, but I noticed you eating shrimp. Sorry.” “Is that linen with cotton?!!?” “Yes. You like Pork Lo Mein, but you are also a devil.” “You do not follow my God and my God says to lend no hand to help you.”

3 No Country For Old Haters  Dec 8, 2014 7:56:24am

People should not receive special privileges for being superstitious. For some reason having religious delusions seems to be considered to make someone a better person than reality based people.

4 Dr. Matt  Dec 8, 2014 8:53:07am

As usual, the Law of Unintended Consequences will bite these idiots in the ass.

5 KerFuFFler  Dec 8, 2014 9:07:38am

re: #2 nines09

A matter of faith should never inject into professional or business dealings. I can’t even see any good intent in this law. It’s raw meat to the drooling jackals who see their world as the only world. And they are neither Christian nor Muslim nor Jew or Hindu. “I would love to help you, but I noticed you eating shrimp. Sorry.” “Is that linen with cotton?!!?” “Yes. You like Pork Lo Mein, but you are also a devil.” “You do not follow my God and my God says to lend no hand to help you.”

I don’t see any good in this law either. I suspect that if you skimmed through my comment too quickly you could have come away with the wrong impression. Let me emphasize the relevant portion:

I have a little more respect for the idea of being unwilling to dispense medications that are against their religious principles. In such a case a religious person may feel complicit——--so then they should not go into pharmacy!

I did want to recognize that there are situations that could make a believer complicit in something that is against their religion.* But the onus is on the religious person to not seek those jobs then. A religious Hindu cannot expect to be hired at the meat counter and then refuse to package and sell meat.

*This is different from, for example, withholding life-saving treatment from a gay person because there is no religion where saving lives is wrong.

6 victor27  Dec 8, 2014 9:08:40am

James Madison wrote this in his Detached Memoranda on the First Amendment:

Let (the American People) exert the same wisdom, in watching against every evil lurking under plausible disguises, and growing up from small beginnings.

This is the same document in which he wrote that

Strongly guarded as is the separation between Religion & Govt in the Constitution of the United States the danger of encroachment by Ecclesiastical Bodies, may be illustrated by precedents already furnished in their short history…

Madison is the Founder known as the Father of the Constitution. He wrote the Memoranda around 1817-1820.

7 CuriousLurker  Dec 8, 2014 9:27:16am

This is BULLSHIT. These people are depraved.

8 Dr. Matt  Dec 8, 2014 9:44:30am
9 nines09  Dec 8, 2014 9:52:06am

re: #5 KerFuFFler

Not at all. I understood your intent and wording. The bill is idiocy and pandering and worse.

10 nines09  Dec 8, 2014 9:53:30am

re: #8 Dr. Matt

“And when I asked them to kneel and give thanks, they started praying to Allah. Just WTF do these people think they are??”

11 nines09  Dec 8, 2014 9:57:17am

re: #6 victor27

James Madison wrote this in his Detached Memoranda on the First Amendment:

This is the same document in which he wrote that

Madison is the Founder known as the Father of the Constitution. He wrote the Memoranda around 1817-1820.

But Rick Santorum says he was a Commie before there was Commies. Your GOP, hard at work, making your future bright and shiny and free of Communist Influences.

12 CuriousLurker  Dec 8, 2014 9:58:29am

re: #10 nines09

“And when I asked them to kneel and give thanks, they started praying to Allah. Just WTF do these people think they are??”

LOL, exactly.

13 CuriousLurker  Dec 8, 2014 10:03:56am

re: #8 Dr. Matt

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THIS.

From the article:

“I support individual liberty and I support religious freedom,” Bolger said today. “I have been horrified as some have claimed that a person’s faith should only be practiced while hiding in their home or in their church.”

What a crock. No one with any governmental authority is saying Christianity should only be practiced in people’s homes or churches. This self-serving crap gets on my last nerve because I know damned well they only want freedom (to discriminate) for Christians and not for anyone else.

14 KerFuFFler  Dec 8, 2014 10:34:08am

re: #13 CuriousLurker

This self-serving crap gets on my last nerve because I know damned well they only want freedom (to discriminate) for Christians and not for anyone else.

Even more specifically they want protections for conservative Christians who hold the same views that they do. Quakers would not be allowed to withhold taxes funding the Pentagon even though they have a long history of pacifist beliefs.

15 CuriousLurker  Dec 8, 2014 10:36:57am

re: #14 KerFuFFler

Even more specifically they want protections for conservative Christians who hold the same views that they do. Quakers would not be allowed to withhold taxes funding the Pentagon even though they have a long history of pacifist beliefs.

I can believe that.

16 Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 8, 2014 11:11:01am

And what of someone whose sincerely held beliefs justify the rape or abuse of his wife?

17 KerFuFFler  Dec 8, 2014 11:32:36am

re: #15 CuriousLurker

This decision was reached by the Supreme Court in 1990:

“If for example, a religious adherent believes war is a sin…”

Justice Antonin Scalia, who wrote for the majority in Smith, argued that full-blown religious liberty is a “luxury” that the nation can no longer afford.

18 Romantic Heretic  Dec 8, 2014 1:08:46pm
The Religious Freedom Power Restoration Act

This is the correct meaning of the bill’s title.

19 cinesimon  Dec 8, 2014 7:08:32pm

I think all religious liberals - and atheists - should start using this bill to point out just how dangerous it is. Give them a taste of their own medicine.
Start asking people what they think about abortion, or gay rights, or women’s rights. if they answer in a neo-fascist manner, refuse to serve them.
I know this goes totally against what liberalism stands for, but it’s why we keep losing these debates - it’s time we start separating our usual, day-to-day ethics, and our political activism.
If they’re going to look for ways to make the lives of non-Christians more difficult, then we should start doing the same to them, Show them how dangerous their slippery slope has become.

20 FemNaziBitch  Dec 10, 2014 3:38:50am

re: #8 Dr. Matt

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Most Excellent!

21 FemNaziBitch  Dec 10, 2014 3:44:13am

Conscientious Objection in Nursing seems to be a big deal.


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