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1 WhatEVs  Jan 22, 2015 7:28:38am

When connected kids see what religion bears, the likes of Santorum and multiple groups like the Catholic League, the Family Research Council, and Westboro who write editorials, tweet, blog, and disrupt funerals (for crying out loud!), etc.; all completely hateful stuff under the guise of their religion, how can it not turn them off of religion as a whole?

Electing this Pope has likely done more for religion than anything in the last 30 years.

For many it is not enough to consider religion, though. You cannot overcome the negatives with one high-profile positive.

2 The Vicious Babushka  Jan 22, 2015 7:47:06am

There are fundamentalists (of all religions) going around being hateful to others, while non-believers just want to be left alone and leave others alone.

So who is following Hillel’s “Golden Rule”?

3 WhatEVs  Jan 22, 2015 8:01:08am

re: #2 The Vicious Babushka

So who is following Hillel’s “Golden Rule”?

From the sound of the article, I would say the “Nones”, for one.

The worst thing about the religious zealots is that there are millions of good religious people who follow the Golden Rule and millions of good religious Christians who follow Jesus’ teachings, but the vocal minority of US religious asshats who blindingly place politics over religion casts widespread aspersions on religion as a whole. (I think there’s an asparagus joke in there somewhere, but I digress.)

I don’t see the perception of religion improving until politics (namely true bipartisanship and not seeing the other side as The Enemy to not just electorally defeat, but to maim and kill [ideologically speaking]) and political relationships improve…and I don’t see that happening anytime in the near future.

4 calochortus  Jan 22, 2015 8:28:30am

I was born in the early 50s and raised without religion, which makes me unusual for my generation. Happy family life as a child, and continued an excellent relationship with my parents until their deaths. My own marriage has been happy and stable, our non-religious children are good, moral citizens. The married one is in a what appears to be a stable, happy and non-religious marriage. We all try to do what is “right” as we see it. Just like most other people.

The key here is that religious and non-religious people lead remarkably similar lives. We just get there in different ways.

5 No Country For Old Haters  Jan 22, 2015 8:45:15am

re: #1 WhatEVs

When connected kids see what religion bears, the likes of Santorum and multiple groups like the Catholic League, the Family Research Council, and Westboro who write editorials, tweet, blog, and disrupt funerals (for crying out loud!), etc.; all completely hateful stuff under the guise of their religion, how can it not turn them off of religion as a whole?

Electing this Pope has likely done more for religion than anything in the last 30 years.

For many it is not enough to consider religion, though. You cannot overcome the negatives with one high-profile positive.

That and a lot of people now understand that the supernatural is imaginary. This pope’s good deeds. and he is better than the rest, do not make up for the fact that religion is an absurd hoax to anyone who actually takes the time to think it through.

6 Slap  Jan 22, 2015 8:52:07am

re: #3 WhatEVs

The key word in this is “zealots”.

Zealots of any stripe are a pox.

I mean, use any modifier you like — religious, political, gun rights, gun control, reproductive rights, whatever. A zealot is generally immune to reason, and decidedly NON-constructive.

rant off

7 WhatEVs  Jan 22, 2015 8:56:28am

re: #5 No Country For Old Haters

That and a lot of people now understand that the supernatural is imaginary. This pope’s good deeds. and he is better than the rest, do not make up for the fact that religion is an absurd hoax to anyone who actually takes the time to think it through.

I hate to do this but I disagree. The number of people who believe in ghosts and bigfoot is staggering.

8 Skip Intro  Jan 22, 2015 9:11:44am

re: #7 WhatEVs

I hate to do this but I disagree. The number of people who believe in ghosts and bigfoot is staggering.

And Ancient Aliens. Don’t forget them.

9 CuriousLurker  Jan 22, 2015 9:49:55am

re: #5 No Country For Old Haters

That and a lot of people now understand that the supernatural is imaginary. This pope’s good deeds. and he is better than the rest, do not make up for the fact that religion is an absurd hoax to anyone who actually takes the time to think it through.

Really? You actually think that no one who makes the choice to follow a religion “takes the time to think it through”? Do you imagine we just stumble through our days like addle-brained zombies, never questioning how we got here or wondering about the choice(s) we’ve made?

I’ll tell you what, your disdain & condescension don’t make a very strong case for the supposed civilizing, enlightening benefits of non-belief, but then again I know better than chalk up the snarky attitude of a few to all non-believers. Thankfully, there are plenty of believers & non-believers who are more tolerant & diplomatic, and who regularly display the personal ethics & critical thinking skills that are at the core of humanism.

The internet truly is the death of civility. I’m certain most people hiding behind anonymous identities don’t express themselves with your lack of civility at work or family gatherings where they have to look people in the eye. But, hey, we’re just a bunch of (largely) faceless, nameless, clueless idiots, so we have little value and you have nothing to lose by being obnoxious, do you?

I guess humility is overrated when you’re convinced you’re 100% right. It’s ironic how similar that is to the attitude of some religious zealots.

10 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Jan 22, 2015 10:10:21am

My daughter was raised without religion and we’re very pleased with how she turned out. I don’t know anyone her age with a stronger sense of fairness and commitment to social justice.

11 Sionainn  Jan 22, 2015 10:30:33am

re: #9 CuriousLurker

Really? You actually think that no one who makes the choice to follow a religion “takes the time to think it through”? Do you imagine we just stumble through our days like addle-brained zombies, never questioning how we got here or wondering about the choice(s) we’ve made?

I’ll tell you what, your disdain & condescension don’t make a very strong case for the supposed civilizing, enlightening benefits of non-belief, but then again I know better than chalk up the snarky attitude of a few to all non-believers. Thankfully, there are plenty of believers & non-believers who are more tolerant & diplomatic, and who regularly display the personal ethics & critical thinking skills that are at the core of humanism.

The internet truly is the death of civility. I’m certain most people hiding behind anonymous identities don’t express themselves with your lack of civility at work or family gatherings where they have to look people in the eye. But, hey, we’re just a bunch of (largely) faceless, nameless, clueless idiots, so we have little value and you have nothing to lose by being obnoxious, do you?

I guess humility is overrated when you’re convinced you’re 100% right. It’s ironic how similar that is to the attitude of some religious zealots.

I agree with No Country, but I also agree with you. What a conundrum.

I personally think that believing in any religion is absurd, but on the other hand, I admire lots of people and count as friends, including you, who are believers. It’s not something I understand (belief in God), but it’s something that I accept and tolerate in my family and friends. So, I guess what I’m trying to say is that my finding believing in a religion is absurd doesn’t get in the way of my feelings for people…unless they have proven to me that their belief in God has made them into a nutter (like Bryan Fisher and his ilk).

I hope my explanation makes sense.

12 CuriousLurker  Jan 22, 2015 11:28:12am

re: #11 Sionainn

I agree with No Country, but I also agree with you. What a conundrum.

You’re not alone—that happens to me fairly frequently here. ;-)

I personally think that believing in any religion is absurd, but on the other hand, I admire lots of people and count as friends, including you, who are believers. It’s not something I understand (belief in God), but it’s something that I accept and tolerate in my family and friends. So, I guess what I’m trying to say is that my finding believing in a religion is absurd doesn’t get in the way of my feelings for people…unless they have proven to me that their belief in God has made them into a nutter (like Bryan Fisher and his ilk).

I hope my explanation makes sense.

It does make sense, and I appreciate that you provided context as it makes all the difference in the world.


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