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1 CuriousLurker  Feb 4, 2015 8:29:49am
Might anyone have a good image of Daesh in Arabic? Looking to make a banner for this Page

If you’re talking about the word itself, and I assume that you are, it’s an acronym that can’t really be represented in Arabic—you never see individual letters alone (i.e. not connected with ligatures) like you do in English—at least not that I’m aware of.

You could always go over to DaFont and grab one of their free pseudo-Arabic fonts and use it to type out the English, for example Daesh Caliphake, heh.

2 Great White Snark  Feb 4, 2015 8:58:25am

re: #1 CuriousLurker

Excellent link. Might just Worked up a whole fake black flag,
Much better with images!

3 Great White Snark  Feb 4, 2015 9:53:57am

Can’t seem to leave this Page alone updated at 9:50am

4 team_fukit  Feb 4, 2015 2:25:32pm

Not that I’m claiming ISIS is Islamic…

but this story troubles me because owning a book becomes the litmus test for being truly religious. It plays into Protestant/American normative definitions of “authentic” religion as text alone.

5 CuriousLurker  Feb 4, 2015 3:30:09pm

re: #4 team_fukit

I read the article and listened to the interview and it was pretty clear to me that Didier Francois wasn’t asserting that owning a book was a litmus test, but rather that they weren’t interested in what the Qur’an has to say:

“There was never really discussion about texts or — it was not a religious discussion. It was a political discussion.”

“It was more hammering what they were believing than teaching us about the Quran. Because it has nothing to do with the Quran.”

“We didn’t even have the Quran; they didn’t want even to give us a Quran.”

As a matter of fact, the excerpt above gave me the distinct impression that they might actually be purposely keeping it away from people, lest someone notice that their excesses are in direct contradiction to what it contains.

You might think Muslims would already know what’s in it, but many don’t, Just as many who are born in the West and self-identify as Christian or Jewish aren’t necessarily familiar with scripture, much less exegesis, people born & raised in the Mideast who self-identify as Muslim have the same issues. In addition, culture often trumps religion to the point that they’re not even cognizant of where one ends and the other begins.

As for Western converts, the former typically don’t speak Arabic or have an existing working knowledge of traditional Islam, therefore they can easily be influenced in a negative (extremist) way. With Western born & raised Muslims who are the children of immigrants, they may speak Arabic or they may not, and there’s still a shitload of conflicting cultural stuff mixed in. It’s a mess:

“And sometimes it’s not easy for them to fit with the jihadis coming from other countries, because they don’t share the same ideas, they don’t share the same behaviors, they don’t have the same codes. And sometimes it’s really tense between them.”

So Daesh/al-Baghdadi plays everyone against each other:

“He always tries to push the Sunni tribes, the Bedouins, to fight against the Shiite, or the Yazidi, or the Christians. And they trying to play communities one against the others. That’s how he survives. That’s how he recruits.”

Talk about a cluster****.

I hope they implode, but I don’t think the world can afford the luxury of waiting around to see if that’ll happen any time soon.

6 team_fukit  Feb 4, 2015 4:46:01pm

re: #5 CuriousLurker

I don’t disagree and see what you mean, but it just seems to me that one could argue along the same lines as the reporter that medieval Crusaders weren’t really Christians because they lacked bible literacy

I do agree that ISIS isn’t even Islam-ish. No religion advocates for the murder of innocent people

7 team_fukit  Feb 4, 2015 5:57:47pm

re: #6 team_fukit

i should have said “No worthy religion advocates…”

8 electrotek  Feb 4, 2015 6:18:34pm

There’s truth to that CuriousLurker. This piece from Foreign Policy has this to say:

Nor would such pamphlets change the opinion of the group of men gathered in Zarqa. None of them appeared to be particularly religious: Not once did the conversation turn to matters of faith, and none budged from their seats when the call to prayer sounded. They appeared driven by anger at humiliations big and small — from the police officers who treated them like criminals outside their homes to the massacres of Sunnis in Syria and Iraq — rather than by a detailed exegesis of religious texts.

The men, for instance, did not see a contradiction between supporting the jihadis’ austere version of Islamic law while also holding a basic enthusiasm for recreational drug use.

“We don’t take drugs,” said Jihad, the former drug dealer, before seemingly backtracking. “But we know the deals [for where to get drugs cheaply] … so when we want it, we could get it.”

At that point, the group of men burst into uproarious laughter, and began listing the most popular drugs — marijuana, the amphetamine Captagon, and the opioid Tramadol. Jihad told a story of giving a friend who was experiencing withdrawal symptoms an “antidote,” which appeared to be more drugs.

The men laughed harder, and for a second the Islamic State was forgotten. It could have been a crowd of friends gathered anywhere in the world.

9 CuriousLurker  Feb 4, 2015 7:02:05pm

re: #6 team_fukit

I don’t disagree and see what you mean, but it just seems to me that one could argue along the same lines as the reporter that medieval Crusaders weren’t really Christians because they lacked bible literacy

I do agree that ISIS isn’t even Islam-ish. No religion advocates for the murder of innocent people

I’m glad you get it. Please understand that a lot of times I go into detail because I never know who’s reading or how much they know.

To clarify: The members of Daesh are Muslims because they profess to be and one assumes they’ve taken their shahadah. This is also true for the most awful tyrants in the Islamic world—they are/were undeniably Muslim and undeniably awful human beings—however Islam isn’t/wasn’t the cause their awfulness, just as Christianity isn’t/wasn’t to blame for the awfulness of the Crusaders, Christian tyrants, corruption in the Catholic Church, the KKK, and horrific lynchings right here in the good old USA (like that of Jesse Washington) less than 100 years ago.

Human beings seem to have the capacity to be truly awful, to be the meanest, basest, most cunning creatures that ever walked the face of the earth.

10 CuriousLurker  Feb 4, 2015 7:06:09pm

re: #8 electrotek

There’s truth to that CuriousLurker. This piece from Foreign Policy has this to say:

I’ll have to read the whole article before going to sleep tonight. Thanks.

11 nines09  Feb 4, 2015 7:57:18pm

re: #5 CuriousLurker

Daesh follows the slash and burn form of converting to a belief. Terror.


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