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1 lawhawk  Feb 9, 2015 11:23:54am

Mock the anti-vaxxers mercilessly. Ridicule their asinine logic-free and fact-free pablum.

These people have all benefited from vaccinations. After all, we’ve all but eliminated polio from the planet (and would eradicate the disease entirely but for anti-vaxxers in places like Nigeria, Somalia, and Pakistan and Afghanistan that have gone and killed vaccination teams or claimed that it’s a conspiracy to make people go sterile.

We eliminated smallpox entirely. Millions used to die of that scourge a year.

We virtually eliminated measles in the US, but now get outbreaks resulting from importation from places that have outbreaks, like the Philippines or Europe, particularly among those groups that have lower vaccination rates than the general public (meaning that even if a country has a 90+ vaccination rate, there are some groups that have much lower rates, and the disease spreads like wildfire among those groups).

And the science on vaccination is sound, but these idiots think that there’s some grand conspiracy for big pharma to make money (vaccinations are one of the most cost effective health care costs since every vaccination reduces the chances of of potential hospitalization, lost wages, or deaths. Alternatively, some of them think that vaccinations aren’t what protects people. It’s magical thinking.

All we can do is point them out and ridicule them, and demand that the politicians follow the science and eliminate the exemptions for all but medical need.

2 Shiplord Kirel  Feb 9, 2015 11:41:46am

I remember having measles when I was 5 years old, That was more than 60 years ago but I vividly remember the fever, the unbearable itching, the forced isolation, my mother crying because there was so little she could do. Even at that it could have been much worse since, unlike many children, I recovered completely
Anyone who would deliberately subject a small child to that is a monster. Yet that is what the antivaxxers are doing. Most of this originates in the marketing needs of the supplement/quack medicine industry and in the faux contrarianism of commercial media. Antivaxx is rank evil, may its creators and promoters be damned to hell.

3 CriticalDragon1177  Feb 9, 2015 11:52:10am

re: #2 Shiplord Kirel

A monster, unless we’re to believe that person was so ignorant that they had no idea what they were doing, but by than it may already be too late. We have to fight the anti vaccination movement, to prevent that from happening.

4 HandNYell  Feb 10, 2015 8:05:45am

There IS real science behind the concern about the current state and
practice of vaccination science, and it is by those within and at the
top of the orthodox vaccination medical establishment:

Huffington Post: “Why the Press Shouldn’t Dismiss Vaccine Skeptics”

huffingtonpost.ca

If you are actually open to the facts that are not getting reported,
read that article. It at least looks at the full picture and present
some inconvenient medical facts regarding vaccines.

5 Decatur Deb  Feb 10, 2015 8:10:05am

re: #4 HandNYell

There IS real science behind the concern about the current state and
practice of vaccination science, and it is by those within and at the
top of the orthodox vaccination medical establishment:

Huffington Post: “Why the Press Shouldn’t Dismiss Vaccine Skeptics”

huffingtonpost.ca

If you are actually open to the facts that are not getting reported,
read that article. It at least looks at the full picture and present
some inconvenient medical facts regarding vaccines.

Ambulances kill people. Fire trucks kill people. Why are we unfair to emergency vehicle skeptics?

6 Shiplord Kirel  Feb 10, 2015 9:20:29am

re: #4 HandNYell

There IS real science behind the concern about the current state and
practice of vaccination science, and it is by those within and at the
top of the orthodox vaccination medical establishment:

Huffington Post: “Why the Press Shouldn’t Dismiss Vaccine Skeptics”

huffingtonpost.ca

If you are actually open to the facts that are not getting reported,
read that article. It at least looks at the full picture and present
some inconvenient medical facts regarding vaccines.

I see very few facts in that article but a lot of vague appeals to authority based on poorly sourced quotes of questionable context. In some of the quotes, the putative authorities are referring only to specific cases, as with the comments on Gardasil. Dr. Fletcher’s concerns have nothing to do with vaccines and instead involve a commonplace observation about the nature of bureaucracy, as though we are entirely dependent on the word of a single set of government bureaucrats for determining the safety and efficacy of vaccination. From this, we are supposed to justify a generalized rejection of vaccination without even bothering to weigh it against the known, and utterly catastrophic, consequences of failure to vaccinate. Perhaps this is because the antivaxxers have an alternative ready, literally wrapped up in a shiny little package and for sale at alternate healthcare outlets of every description?
Finally, note that the discredited kook Cheryl Atkisson (of hijacked keyboard fame) plays a significant part in exposing these alleged truths.

7 b_sharp  Feb 10, 2015 9:42:34am

re: #4 HandNYell

There IS real science behind the concern about the current state and
practice of vaccination science, and it is by those within and at the
top of the orthodox vaccination medical establishment:

Huffington Post: “Why the Press Shouldn’t Dismiss Vaccine Skeptics”

huffingtonpost.ca

If you are actually open to the facts that are not getting reported,
read that article. It at least looks at the full picture and present
some inconvenient medical facts regarding vaccines.

AAAaaarrrrrggghh!!!

8 Great White Snark  Feb 10, 2015 9:50:41am
Dr. Fletcher was also the Medical Assessor to the Committee on Safety of Medicines, and thus the very person who determined for the UK government whether vaccines were safe. Dr. Fletcher has several times gone public with his concerns over vaccines, and with his frustration that “no one in authority will even admit [a vaccine-related problem could be] happening, let alone try to investigate the causes.”

Oh?????

Hmm about this paragraph that completely undermines the above…

How hard, for example, should it have been for the press (the guy in the above paragraph) to notice the views of Dr. Bernadine Healy, the former head of the National Institute of Health, the former head of the American Red Cross, and the former Chair of the White House Cabinet Group on Biotechnology, one of several White House positions she held in service to three U.S. presidents.

#HealthyandVaccinated #MahersMeasels

9 Dr. Matt  Feb 10, 2015 12:10:56pm

re: #4 HandNYell

There IS real science behind the concern about the current state and
practice of vaccination science, and it is by those within and at the
top of the orthodox vaccination medical establishment:

Huffington Post: “Why the Press Shouldn’t Dismiss Vaccine Skeptics”

huffingtonpost.ca

f you are actually open to the facts that are not getting reported,
read that article. It at least looks at the full picture and present
some inconvenient medical facts regarding vaccines.

What fucking “facts” are you talking about!? Everything in that hysterical piece is an opinion. Please go to pubmed (ncbi.nlm.nih.gov) and provide us your thesis, based on scientific facts, as why anti-vaxxers should be considered.

We’ll wait for your rebuttal…..

10 Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 10, 2015 7:51:08pm

Seen on Facebook:

lengthy followup post at facebook.com

This is important. A 15-day-old infant was exposed to measles at the doctor’s office.
HandNYell, you can take your bogus “science” and stuff it up your ass.

11 CriticalDragon1177  Feb 10, 2015 8:56:23pm

re: #4 HandNYell

There IS real science behind the concern about the current state and
practice of vaccination science, and it is by those within and at the
top of the orthodox vaccination medical establishment:

Huffington Post: “Why the Press Shouldn’t Dismiss Vaccine Skeptics”

huffingtonpost.ca

If you are actually open to the facts that are not getting reported,
read that article. It at least looks at the full picture and present
some inconvenient medical facts regarding vaccines.

Please explain to us why the World Health Organization, and the Scientific community, around the world disagree with Lawrence Solomon? Why should I take his word over there’s, when he isn’t a medical profession, or a scientist who studies disease?

12 CriticalDragon1177  Feb 10, 2015 9:01:49pm

re: #10 Backwoods_Sleuth

Seen on Facebook:

lengthy followup post at facebook.com

This is important. A 15-day-old infant was exposed to measles at the doctor’s office.
HandNYell, you can take your bogus “science” and stuff it up your ass.

That is upsetting. Her poor baby. I hope she survives despite the anti vaccination crowd.


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