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1 Thanos  Feb 10, 2015 3:33:29am

Wingnut prof using his position of authority to harass feminists he disagrees with? Par for course for cavemen.

2 Dark_Falcon  Feb 10, 2015 3:40:32am

re: #1 Thanos

Wingnut prof using his position of authority to harass feminists he disagrees with? Par for course for cavemen.

And the Internet commenters who threatened Ms. Abbate with death are par for course for ISIS.

3 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 10, 2015 4:49:38am

A piece of advice for Ms. Abbate: if you’re against bigoted opinions being expressed in your class, don’t encourage the expression of such opinions, as you did here. Seems, uh, contradictory.

4 Dark_Falcon  Feb 10, 2015 4:52:14am

re: #3 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

A piece of advice for Ms. Abbate: if you’re against bigoted opinions being expressed in your class, don’t encourage the expression of such opinions, as you did here. Seems, uh, contradictory.

You’ve lost me; How did she do that?

5 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 10, 2015 7:12:07am

re: #4 Dark_Falcon

“Ms. Abbate noted that this was a correct way to apply Rawls’ Principle and is said to have asked ‘does anyone not agree with this?’

What’s the point of asking this question if you expect only one answer?

6 team_fukit  Feb 10, 2015 7:18:59am

Not to speak for Sergey, but the instructor in question

is said to have asked ‘does anyone not agree with this?’ Ms. Abbate later added that if anyone did not agree that gay marriage was an example of something that fits the Rawls’ Equal Liberty Principle, they should see her after class.”

While I agree with her stance on gay marriage, and absolutely agree with Marquette letting that creepy doxxing prof go, setting up this “see me after class” scenario with a student who disagrees was over the line when she could have simply asked the student in class to elaborate their position and allow the students to debate it. And then maybe she could have made her argument without singling-out the student.

“If you don’t agree with me, see me after class” seems a bit liberal fascist (haha).

my theory about it: The student in question seemed ready-on-the-spot to secretly record the conversation he had one-on-one with the teacher. So either 1) The teacher had pulled something like this before or 2) more likely: the doxxing prof put the student up to it in the first place… a “mole” situation in the class

I guess the sadder thing about this story is while the doxxing is uncommon, the negative attitudes these guys have toward female graduate students is present in pretty much every program of study in America

7 wrenchwench  Feb 10, 2015 8:21:07am
In the recorded conversation, Ms. Abbate essentially says that arguments against gay marriage shouldn’t be allowed in class because they are hurtful. I don’t agree with that, but even so her error did not justify…

Don’t agree the arguments shouldn’t be allowed, or don’t agree that they are hurtful?

8 wrenchwench  Feb 10, 2015 8:25:58am

Both my parents went to Marquette. Dad graduated, Mom dropped out when she got pregnant. Then they married. (I think that’s how it went.)

Thanks for the Page.

9 Dark_Falcon  Feb 10, 2015 9:17:01am

re: #7 wrenchwench

Don’t agree the arguments shouldn’t be allowed, or don’t agree that they are hurtful?

I don’t agree with disallowing them. If the student thinks he can support his argument, my feeling is by all means let him try. To simply rule his point of view out-of-bounds short-circuits discussion and places the feelings of those offended over an honest discussion of ethics and societal values. I understand that views against gay marriage can be painful to some people, but if the case is not being made in an ugly fashion (arguing heterosexual marriages are better for child rearing is in bounds, but DERPing out “God says its an abomination!” should not be permitted) , then the discussion value of allowing it overturns the pain it causes IMO.

10 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Feb 10, 2015 9:55:13am

re: #9 Dark_Falcon

I on the other hand don’t give a crap - allow, disallow, it’s your class - but stick to one decision and be consistent.

11 wrenchwench  Feb 10, 2015 12:55:48pm

re: #9 Dark_Falcon

I don’t agree with disallowing them. If the student thinks he can support his argument, my feeling is by all means let him try. To simply rule his point of view out-of-bounds short-circuits discussion and places the feelings of those offended over an honest discussion of ethics and societal values. I understand that views against gay marriage can be painful to some people, but if the case is not being made in an ugly fashion (arguing heterosexual marriages are better for child rearing is in bounds, but DERPing out “God says its an abomination!” should not be permitted) , then the discussion value of allowing it overturns the pain it causes IMO.

In my opinion, telling someone they, or their spouse (or one of their parents) is unfit to be a parent is hurtful enough that it is bannable, if Marquette is into that sort of action.

12 Dark_Falcon  Feb 11, 2015 4:55:03am

Inside Higher Ed posted its take on the event, which still in my opinion underplays McAdams misogyny, but its a good bit better than the New Republic piece. It was cross-posted on Slate and it is from there that I link to it.


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