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1 Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 16, 2015 10:55:00am

As a Canadian now living in America I have gotten used to most of the Imperial measurements but I still much prefer Celsius when it comes to temperature.

2 William Barnett-Lewis  Feb 16, 2015 11:30:55am

Though it isn’t relevant to the issue at hand, Fahrenheit’s scale was based on round numbers as well - “On Fahrenheit’s original scale the lower defining point was the lowest temperature to which he could reproducibly cool brine (defining 0 degrees), while the highest was that of the average human core body temperature (defining 100 degrees)” en.wikipedia.org

Doesn’t make it any more logical for us to keep using it but it’s never been something he just pulled out of his ass as TFA seems to imply.

3 Sionainn  Feb 16, 2015 11:57:29am

With the way children are being taught math today, using base 10 blocks which are based on centimeters, it should be very easy for people to switch to metric. It’s not that difficult.

4 Lumberhead  Feb 16, 2015 1:18:29pm

re: #2 William Barnett-Lewis

To be fair, the article does say that it’s the boiling and freezing points that aren’t set at round numbers and explains why.

Fahrenheit set zero at the lowest temperature he could get a water and salt mixture to reach. He then used a (very slightly incorrect) measurement of the average human body temperature, 96 degrees, as the second fixed point in the system. The resulting schema set the boiling point of water at 212 degrees, and the freezing point at 32 degrees.

5 SoCaroLion  Feb 16, 2015 1:28:39pm

“My car gets 40 rods to the hogshead and that’s the way I likes it!”

6 cinesimon  Feb 16, 2015 1:38:32pm

Blame American Exceptionalism. That’s all there is to it.

7 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Feb 16, 2015 2:26:10pm

The degree Fahrenheit is a smaller discreet unit than the degree C. When we measure temp at some hospital when record in .1C increments. Unfortunately they are twice as big as the .1 F increments we use at most hospitals. As far as the argument that the metric system make mathmatic calculations easier with regard to temp, it DOESN’T. Either way, you have to convert to an absolute scale by adding either 273 to C or 469 (or so) to F. The only 10 based thing that Centigrade is based on is the boilng and freezing points of water, and that about as arbitrary as the Fahrenheit system. I really haven’t seen too many real world sitches where the 10 based metric system really made calculations any easier.

8 freetoken  Feb 16, 2015 3:51:07pm

Trained in physics as I was, I became used to using metric units (mks preferably to cgs), but I really don’t think units are that big a deal.

Yes, there is the whole problem of American exceptionalism, but if I were going to fight that battle the hill I would not choose to die on would be the metric/Imperial one.

Also, for human use, linear scales are not natural. Log scales are used in many applications and make much more sense for audio, for example. Indeed, I find frustrating that computer applications these days seem stuck on linear scales for audio and image manipulation.

9 Amory Blaine  Feb 16, 2015 4:25:25pm

You can pry my imperial storey pole from my cold dead hand!! J/K

10 sizzzzlerz  Feb 16, 2015 4:26:29pm

If’n the fahrenheit scale was good enough for jesus, its good enough for us!

11 Ace-o-aces  Feb 16, 2015 4:47:04pm

There’s really no reason we couldn’t just convert to metric. Look a soda. at some point, soft-drink makers went, “OK, we’re putting our stuff in 2L bottles now. Deal with it!”

12 Great White Snark  Feb 16, 2015 5:14:30pm

I have to use both at work. Fahrenheit and Celsius. To me it’s all laughably arbitrary. If humans had six fingers and two thumbs we’d be bragging about base eight math as the best. Every day I have to use grams, kilos, troy ounces, penneyweights, karats, carats, and scales that switch modes with the push of a button. Okay I only rarely use carats I’m a metals guy.

If I need to work up a precise weight like making karated gold from pure it matters not at all what my unit of measure is. Heck, with a calculator I could go by the mole. NASA screwed up, blaming the unit just makes the scientists look even more stupid.

Base ten.
Okay if I’m calculating in my head or with a pencil base ten is a little easier. But who does that? Calculators, computers, apps… all make all that calculation trivial. And even more accurate than a napkin.

Next up the 100 second “minute” the 100 “minute” “hour, and the ten or twenty “hour” day.
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13 SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Feb 16, 2015 7:06:44pm

Of all the units that got pulled out of somebody’s ass, I want to know how they really expect me to belieb that somebody REALLY counts 6 million or so transitions of a cesium atom in one second. I mean, come on.
Correction 9,192,631,770 transitions.

14 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Feb 16, 2015 7:27:22pm

As a machinist I find this metric/imperial issue relatively annoying. I could care less about the origin of the units, their linearity, their base, whatever. It can all be worked with once you are used to it. It just ticks me off that I need to carry around two sets of tools.

I have to collect thousands of dollars in micrometers, calipers, indicators, tooling, inserts, etc. But because I could potentially have to work in either measurement system I need to have those tools in both imperial and metric systems. Of course digital tools are solving some of those problems. But I’m an old school man, I like to look at verniers. :(

15 Merkin  Feb 16, 2015 8:46:30pm

There is another, much more compelling reason for the US to convert to the metric system. Because the metric system is a base 10, decimal system the people who use it don’t have to learn to add, subtract, multiply and divide fractions. The students gain about a year in mathematics education when you use the metric system versus the fraction based imperial system. This is the year that other countries are ahead of the US in math and science education.

In my experience no one really knows how far a mile or a kilometer is. When asked to pace off a mile virtually everyone paces off about one half of mile. What people want to know is how long it will take them to travel the distance. If you have 60 miles to go and you travel at sixty miles an hour or you have 100 km to travel and you go 100 km/hr The answer is the same.

16 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Feb 17, 2015 5:09:07am

I lived in Fahrenheit land for most of my life until moving to Celsius land 7 seven years ago. I’ve finally been able to internalize how 18°C feels, for example, so I can plan what to wear that day, but I still catch myself thinking, “Well, 20°C = 68°F, so a light jacket should be OK.”

And yeah, I have a unit conversation app on my smartphone. Lengths, speeds and mass/weight conversion I can do in my head after 20 years teaching physics, but the temp scales still give me trouble.

17 HappyWarrior  Feb 17, 2015 11:13:47am

It would be weird to switch if for the only reason of saying “It’s warm outside, about thirty degrees.”


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