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1 Great White Snark  Apr 23, 2015 3:55:53pm

Not to disagree, but perhaps an additional factor is the whole seekrit Muslim President thing because of his name. The bigots wanted to believe the worst and they got Fox. And the Tea Party. And a dishearteningly large swath of rural America. What a strange set of views they offer-
Somehow it’s very American to be all about the 1st and 2nd Amendments. But very unpatriotic (in their often imbecilic eyes) to act on freedom of religion that is very much not yours by way of respecting that Mosque and it’s visitors. Big brave militiamen afraid of yoga at school.

It’s all so American to welcome immigrants who use the system instead of sneaking in or overstaying visas. But very unpatriotic to embrace those resulting communities that happen be be Muslim? Can’t bear to celebrate some one else’s holiday? Eid al-Fitr is such a scary phrase!

2 CuriousLurker  Apr 23, 2015 4:00:00pm

re: #1 Great White Snark

Oh, I don’t doubt that seekrit Muslim President thing is, well, a thing, but there’s gotta be much more to it than that. What would allow people who are (presumably) rational enough to dress themselves, tie their shoes, feed themselves and even hold down jobs to believe such nonsense? I think there are lots of things at play here, but one article can’t cover all of them.

3 Great White Snark  Apr 23, 2015 4:03:54pm

re: #2 CuriousLurker

Sorry big edit there… And their thinking is very selective. In no small part they are embracing much they know to be untrue. But that uncompromising pack mentality…

4 CuriousLurker  Apr 23, 2015 4:10:33pm

re: #3 Great White Snark

LOL, I’d forgotten all about the OMG-the-horror yoga stuff. *smh*

5 CuriousLurker  Apr 23, 2015 6:26:10pm

re: #3 Great White Snark

BTW, the whole Muslim bogeyman/fifth column thing is nothing more than repurposed antisemitic conspiracy theories about Jewish Bolshevism:

Jewish Bolshevism also known as Judeo-Bolshevism is a conspiracy theory that the Jews were at the origin of the Russian Revolution and held dominant power among Bolsheviks. Similarly the Jewish Communism theory implies that Jews have been dominating the Communist movements in the world. […]

Sounds strangely familiar if you just change a few words, doesn’t it?

The CTs were preceded by the serialized publication of portions of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion in a Russian newspaper in 1903, with the full version published two years later as an appendix to a book. As with the excerpt above, you’ll notice many familiar themes in the one below: The Antichrist-Satan-Armageddon connection, the secret plot to rule the world, controlling the media, etc.

Aside from it being morally wrong, this scapegoating is a significant part of the reason I have such an interest in learning about antisemitism.

THE ORIGIN OF A LIE

In 1903, portions of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion were serialized in a Russian newspaper, Znamya (The Banner). The version of the Protocols that has endured and has been translated into dozens of languages, however, was first published in Russia in 1905 as an appendix to The Great in the Small: The Coming of the Anti-Christ and the Rule of Satan on Earth, by Russian writer and mystic Sergei Nilus.

Although the exact origin of the Protocols is unknown, its intent was to portray Jews as conspirators against the state. In 24 chapters, or protocols, allegedly minutes from meetings of Jewish leaders, the Protocols “describes” the “secret plans” of Jews to rule the world by manipulating the economy, controlling the media, and fostering religious conflict.

Following the Russian Revolution of 1917, anti-Bolshevik émigrés brought the Protocols to the West. Soon after, editions circulated across Europe, the United States, South America, and Japan. An Arabic translation first appeared in the 1920s.

Beginning in 1920, auto magnate Henry Ford’s newspaper, The Dearborn Independent, published a series of articles based in part on the Protocols. The International Jew, the book that included this series, was translated into at least 16 languages. Both Adolf Hitler and Joseph Goebbels, later the Nazi Minister of Propaganda, praised Ford and The International Jew. […]

United States Holocaust Memorial Museum. “Protocols of the Elders of Zion.” Holocaust Encyclopedia. http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007058. Accessed on 23 April 2015.

6 Charles Johnson  Apr 23, 2015 6:50:20pm

Another factor in this anti-Muslim craziness: there’s absolutely nobody on the right speaking out against the demonization any more. Even the people who used to seem moderate on the issue are now batshit nuts, spewing incitement against Muslims non-stop.

LGF still has a bad reputation for what was posted here after 9/11, but right wing media and blogs have gone far beyond anything ever posted at LGF, into pure hate speech.

7 electrotek  Apr 23, 2015 8:27:00pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

Another factor in this anti-Muslim craziness: there’s absolutely nobody on the right speaking out against the demonization any more. Even the people who used to seem moderate on the issue are now batshit nuts, spewing incitement against Muslims non-stop.

LGF still has a bad reputation for what was posted here after 9/11, but right wing media and blogs have gone far beyond anything ever posted at LGF, into pure hate speech.

Only one who did speak out against it was Grover Norquist, who is often accused by batshit crazy idiots like Frank Gaffney as secret Muslims still.

8 CriticalDragon1177  Apr 23, 2015 8:56:52pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

Another factor in this anti-Muslim craziness: there’s absolutely nobody on the right speaking out against the demonization any more. Even the people who used to seem moderate on the issue are now batshit nuts, spewing incitement against Muslims non-stop.

LGF still has a bad reputation for what was posted here after 9/11, but right wing media and blogs have gone far beyond anything ever posted at LGF, into pure hate speech.

It might be in part because hating gays right now is becoming less and less socially acceptable. It doesn’t look likely that the religious right will be able to keep marriage for straight people only much longer. Also at least half of our population are women, and we very few Muslims for our countries population size. Also the GOP shot themselves in the foot with those “legitimate rape” comments.

In addition many anti Muslim bigots like to portray themselves as supporters of gay rights and women’s rights, even through they rarely if ever seem to condemn misogyny or homophobia when Muslims aren’t involved.

I’m glad the “counter Jihad” was never able to get those ridiculous save our state from sharia laws to ever hold up in court. It would have been even worse if they were able to get away with passing laws singling out Islam and Muslims for special treatment. I’m sorry I was ever dumb enough myself to think of them as even possibly a good idea.

I’ve come across at least on conservative Christian who isn’t an anti Muslim bigot, or supporter of the “counter jihad.” He goes by the name Allan Noble. He writes for a website called Christ and Pop Culture.

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I got Loon Watch to publish something he wrote, before I stopped supporting them due to what I learned about Mondoweiss.

9 majii  Apr 23, 2015 9:00:32pm

People have to learn to hate, and Fox News and right-wing politicians, pundits, blog owners, and radio entertainers have done a thorough job of brainwashing some on the right into thinking, and believing, that anyone/thing having anything to do with Islam and Muslim is evil and is to be fear, hated, and vanquished. They have also done a good job of marginalizing and ostracizing any party member who has a different opinion about Islam and Muslims. I can well imagine that there are some GOPers who don’t think what most GOP/TPers think about Islam and Muslims, but they’ve been so intimidated by the haters that they’re afraid to say anything to oppose them. After 9/11 GWB made a point to tell them that the U.S. isn’t engaging in a fight against Islam but in a fight against Muslim extremists, but after he left office in 2009, the inmates took over the GOP/TP asylum and decided to use Islam and Muslims as their own private whipping boy, vote-getter and fundraiser—- the same way they use undocumented immigrants and other things.

10 CriticalDragon1177  Apr 23, 2015 9:02:17pm

re: #9 majii

People have to learn to hate, and Fox News and right-wing politicians, pundits, blog owners, and radio entertainers have done a thorough job of brainwashing some on the right into thinking, and believing, that anyone/thing having anything to do with Islam and Muslim is evil and is to be fear, hated, and vanquished. They have also done a good job of marginalizing and ostracizing any party member who has a different opinion about Islam and Muslims.

That they have, unfortunately.

11 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Apr 23, 2015 9:23:05pm

re: #5 CuriousLurker

the “secret plans” of Jews to rule the world by manipulating the economy, controlling the media, and fostering religious conflict.

Plans that were created out of one man’s vivid imagination. Meanwhile, some Christians in America have a very clear, quasi-public plan — the Seven Mountains — to take over business, education, government, entertainment, media, etc., for the Lord, with the ultimate goal of making the entire world Christian and bringing about the Second Coming.

But instead people rave about the 1% of Americans who are Muslim. Go figure.

12 electrotek  Apr 23, 2015 9:28:07pm

re: #8 CriticalDragon1177

In addition many anti Muslim bigots like to portray themselves as supporters of gay rights and women’s rights, even through they rarely if ever seem to condemn misogyny or homophobia when Muslims aren’t involved.

Too bad many of them can’t argue against facts:

13 electrotek  Apr 23, 2015 9:31:15pm

It will become less socially acceptable to hate Muslims once many Americans get to know Muslims on a personal level and realize that many of them are not the caricatures they once imagined them to be. They saw homosexuals as people and the same will occur with Muslims. Too many Americans don’t know a single Muslim which explains the rising anti-Muslim atmosphere as of late.

14 CriticalDragon1177  Apr 23, 2015 10:37:47pm

re: #5 CuriousLurker

Sounds strangely familiar if you just change a few words, doesn’t it?

Yeah it does. It seems people don’t learn from history fast enough.

15 CriticalDragon1177  Apr 23, 2015 10:39:44pm

re: #12 electrotek

Too bad many of them can’t argue against facts:

I know, sometimes its amazing, how easy it is to debunk a belief held by a large number of people. Thanks for alerting me to that story by the way.

16 Lord Of The Pies  Apr 24, 2015 4:48:52am

re: #8 CriticalDragon1177

I got Loon Watch to publish something he wrote, before I stopped supporting them due to what I learned about Mondoweiss.

Mondoweiss makes Glenn Greenwald look like a moderate, reasonable gentleman.

17 HappyWarrior  Apr 24, 2015 6:36:51am

What’s interesting to me is it’s gotten worse. I mean I won’t say that American Muslims didn’t get shit after 9/11 but it does seem to me that it’s gotten worse since Obama’s election. Hell for all my faults with the Bush administration, Bush had Muslims in his administration and did not resort to the scapegoating that you see from Republican politicians now on Muslims. It’s frustrating. I’ve known Muslims pretty much my whole life. This is one of the virtues of diversity.

18 Ace-o-aces  Apr 24, 2015 9:12:45am

Sorry I’m late to this thread, but there is something I’d like to point out. A few years after the Cold War ended, there was a series of articles and debates within the neocon/neolib “community” of think tanks and magazines. Their main concern was what would be the “next” big threat that America would have to confront. They seemed very concerned about entering a new century (this was in the early to mid 90’s) without some big-bad evil empire to confront.
The consensus was reached that “radical Islam” would be our next big challenge. Now, don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying 9/11 was a conspiracy or that Islamist regimes are just misunderstood. What I’m saying is that when 2001 rolled around, a large segment of the American intelligentsia was already primed and ready to go after Islam as part of another grand generational conflict.

(Ironic aside, I remember that the New American, a John Birch Society rag, published an article around the same time decrying the neocons’ new focus on Islam. Their belief being that Muslims were generally a conservative, god-fearing people with whom the US should ally).

19 CriticalDragon1177  Apr 24, 2015 9:57:59am

re: #16 Lord Of The Pies

Mondoweiss makes Glenn Greenwald look like a moderate, reasonable gentleman.

Which is why I’m not really a fan Loon Watch anymore. I hadn’t spent much time over at Mondoweiss, so I had no idea how bad it was until someone here pointed it out to me. I was shocked by similar much of the stuff was over there to places like Stormfront.

20 electrotek  Apr 24, 2015 10:54:43pm

re: #19 CriticalDragon1177

Yup, you don’t fight Islamophobia by allying yourself with the worst of the worst. It’s bad enough they’ve published articles by Basayev-sympathizing crackpot Yvonne Ridley in the past.

21 CriticalDragon1177  Apr 25, 2015 7:44:20am

re: #20 electrotek

I don’t even think I’ve even heard of that guy. If I read anything by him while I was at Loon Watch I don’t remember. I hadn’t even heard of Basayev until you mentioned it here. I can’t really comment on that.


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