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1 Charles Johnson  Apr 28, 2015 11:32:53am

(Note: I broke your post up into paragraphs to make it easier to read.)

2 Drive By Commenter  Apr 28, 2015 11:46:11am

Thanks Charles. I talk like that too. ;)

3 Khal Wimpo  Apr 28, 2015 11:51:18am

“Joke” that is told about the LA Sheriffs by, well, basically every other law enforcement agency in SoCal:

Q: “How many sheriffs deputies does it take to throw a handcuffed suspect down a flight of stairs?”

A: “None. He just tripped.”

I keep saying. It’s the damn Homeland Security PowerPoint presentations. They’d come in, do their terrifying fucking slideshow, all about how Al Qaeda is lurking behind every fence, under every bush, and how they, the LA Sheriffs (or Irvine PD or Ridgecrest or Bell Gardens) were the Last Line Of Defense For America.

Sure enough. The months after each of those presentations, Use of Force complaints would fucking spike, as the paranoid officers would go off on suspects, simultaneously frightened out of their minds, and empowered with the bone-deep sense that whatever they did, they were entitled to do so, because without them, nukes would be going off in our cities.

4 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 12:27:01pm

Thanks for your personal anecdote. I am curious how on earth are these constitutional and lawful to do? If Freddie was indeed nickle rided, the officers who did that ot him need to go to jail for a very long time and never wear badges again.

5 Aunty Entity Dragon  Apr 28, 2015 12:34:30pm

re: #4 HappyWarrior

Thanks for your personal anecdote. I am curious how on earth are these constitutional and lawful to do? If Freddie was indeed nickle rided, the officers who did that ot him need to go to jail for a very long time and never wear badges again.

Not one officer has ever been prosecuted for nickel rides in Philly or Baltimore. (Baltimore had a fatal nickel ride ten years ago. The guy had a broken neck when they reached the precinct and he died in surgery. The driver admitted she reached the station in less than half time she would have if she had observed traffic speed limits. Nothing happened to her)

Philly is where the term originated, btw.

6 Drive By Commenter  Apr 28, 2015 12:45:58pm

re: #4 HappyWarrior

Thanks for your personal anecdote. I am curious how on earth are these constitutional and lawful to do? If Freddie was indeed nickle rided, the officers who did that ot him need to go to jail for a very long time and never wear badges again.

The old line was; “We never touched him.” It was street justice. Get that? You got stomped and “they never touched you.” Reality. Now go get a lawyer. Ha. Freddie was not “secured.” Now we wait to see how that plays out. Sporting chance was cuffed with hands in front. Teach you a lesson was hands cuffed behind your back. My experiences were in the late 60’s early 70’s. Little has changed. I doubt many people here have ever had a cop take a personal interest in trying to light you up. I think Freddie had a run in with these cops before. It cost him. Freddie seems to have been just another corner boy running drugs in Westie and then they made it personal. You know who buys most of the drugs in North Philly and Westie Baltimore? White boys from outside the city.

7 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 1:14:25pm

re: #5 Aunty Entity Dragon

Not one officer has ever been prosecuted for nickel rides in Philly or Baltimore. (Baltimore had a fatal nickel ride ten years ago. The guy had a broken neck when they reached the precinct and he died in surgery. The driver admitted she reached the station in less than half time she would have if she had observed traffic speed limits. Nothing happened to her)

Philly is where the term originated, btw.

They need to prosecute this shit now.

8 HappyWarrior  Apr 28, 2015 1:15:13pm

re: #6 Drive By Commenter

The old line was; “We never touched him.” It was street justice. Get that? You got stomped and “they never touched you.” Reality. Now go get a lawyer. Ha. Freddie was not “secured.” Now we wait to see how that plays out. Sporting chance was cuffed with hands in front. Teach you a lesson was hands cuffed behind your back. My experiences were in the late 60’s early 70’s. Little has changed. I doubt many people here have ever had a cop take a personal interest in trying to light you up. I think Freddie had a run in with these cops before. It cost him. Freddie seems to have been just another corner boy running drugs in Westie and then they made it personal. You know who buys most of the drugs in North Philly and Westie Baltimore? White boys from outside the city.

Yeah plausible deniability. Stuff makes me sick and thanks again for your personal insight on this.

9 Romantic Heretic  Apr 28, 2015 1:31:50pm

Up here in Toronto that sort of behaviour on the police’s part is known as The Cherry Beach Express. Don;t know if it still happens but when I was a teenager the most popular victims were gay, as Toronto wasn’t nearly as diverse a city as it is now.

There’s even a song about it.

10 Sherlock Hound  Apr 28, 2015 2:40:14pm

First I’ve heard of it; the Baltimore paper wrote about “rough rides” this morning. They also talked about a nice practice where a driver would pretend to stop short, as if to avoid a dog, to slam someone into the metal caging in the front of the vehicle.

Some other police chiefs have said, during training, that if their drivers were to use a dog as an excuse for that, that the dead dog had better be collected in the wagon.

11 Drive By Commenter  Apr 28, 2015 3:18:33pm

re: #10 Sherlock Hound

First I’ve heard of it; the Baltimore paper wrote about “rough rides” this morning. They also talked about a nice practice where a driver would pretend to stop short, as if to avoid a dog, to slam someone into the metal caging in the front of the vehicle.

Some other police chiefs have said, during training, that if their drivers were to use a dog as an excuse for that, that the dead dog had better be collected in the wagon.

If he hit the bulkhead once, he was lucky. Some not so lucky.
Some captains wink and nod. And why do people run? Gee….

12 iossarian  Apr 29, 2015 7:52:21am

Yup. Retired policeman who worked behind the bar when I was in college would say that the way they dealt with trouble was to take the youth in question behind the station for a “good kicking”.

Not much changes.


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