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1 No Country For Old Haters  May 8, 2015 1:33:06pm

We shouldn’t just limit the DEA. We should dismantle it, and at the very least make sure that no one involved ever has any kind of power again. Their mission was corrupt from the start, which inevitably led to constant abuses.

2 EiMitch  May 8, 2015 2:16:16pm

re: #1 No Country For Old Haters

Its not just the DEA that takes advantage of civil forfeiture laws to legally rob random citizens. Police departments all over the country do it.

3 Bubblehead II  May 8, 2015 4:18:27pm

re: #2 EiMitch

Its not just the DEA that takes advantage of civil forfeiture laws to legally rob random citizens. Police departments all over the country do it.

Ayep. It has become a means to fund P.Ds nation wide. The more they can seize under color of law, the more “toys” they can buy without having to go to the State/City/County Gov and justify the expense.

4 Dark_Falcon  May 9, 2015 8:10:23am

re: #3 Bubblehead II

Ayep. It has become a means to fund P.Ds nation wide. The more they can seize under color of law, the more “toys” they can buy without having to go to the State/City/County Gov and justify the expense.

If you can’t fund your weapons by taxes, fund them the Viking way: with plunder!

/I don’t approve, of course, but I’m not kidding about the above being the operative mentality concerning civil forfeiture.

5 Dark_Falcon  May 10, 2015 8:18:37am

One other thing that occurred to me was how much this activity by the IRS reminded me of the actions of the CoDominium Fleet in the early books of Sci-Fi author Jerry Pournelle’s CoDominium series; Like the Fleet in the novels, the IRS is being shorted of funds by a deadlocked Senate (in the books its the ‘Grand Senate’) which has a number of members who would simply abolish the organization if they could. They can’t, but what they can do is throttle back funding.

Lacking funds, the Fleet turns to monopolizing the purchase offworld and transportation of drugs that are then sold in Earth’s ghettos and to selling convicts being shipped from Earth into slavery. In the real world case, one could see the IRS turning to seizures as a means of funding itself, since unlike with an audit it gets to keep most of the money it gains through civil forfeiture. This also has the effect of turning the cost burden away from large companies and the top 25% of the population (who can raise a ruckus with Congress) and shifts it to people less able to resist.

Am I taking an analogy too far? Please reply and let me know.

6 Aunty Entity Dragon  May 10, 2015 12:22:19pm

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

One other thing that occurred to me was how much this activity by the IRS reminded me of the actions of the CoDominium Fleet in the early books of Sci-Fi author Jerry Pournelle’s CoDominium series; Like the Fleet in the novels, the IRS is being shorted of funds by a deadlocked Senate (in the books its the ‘Grand Senate’) which has a number of members who would simply abolish the organization if they could. They can’t, but what they can do is throttle back funding.

Lacking funds, the Fleet turns to monopolizing the purchase offworld and transportation of drugs that are then sold in Earth’s ghettos and to selling convicts being shipped from Earth into slavery. In the real world case, one could see the IRS turning to seizures as a means of funding itself, since unlike with an audit it gets to keep most of the money it gains through civil forfeiture. This also has the effect of turning the cost burden away from large companies and the top 25% of the population (who can raise a ruckus with Congress) and shifts it to people less able to resist.

Am I taking an analogy too far? Please reply and let me know.

I remember that series.

7 unproven innocence  May 10, 2015 1:00:08pm

When a criminal warrant can be directed at any property, with a presumption of guilt, it should be obvious that people then have essentially zero property rights in the US, in any legal sense.


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