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1 Eclectic Cyborg  May 14, 2015 9:02:11am

This guy is a Repbublican, isn’t he?

2 Iwouldprefernotto  May 14, 2015 10:10:56am

I wonder if he gets a bonus for being a douche.

3 Great White Snark  May 14, 2015 10:19:11am

If we can’t pump water for drinking, what other use can we possibly justify more? Honestly we need a big water use chart so some sense of proportion can enter these discussions.

4 Great White Snark  May 14, 2015 10:21:47am

Ah wrong chart…. Again below

5 Great White Snark  May 14, 2015 10:23:57am
6 Lord Of The Pies  May 14, 2015 10:25:09am

re: #3 Great White Snark

If we can’t pump water for drinking, what other use can we possibly justify more? Honestly we need a big water use chart so some sense of proportion can enter these discussions.

So you are OK with Nestlé and Walmart pumping out water to sell it at a 600% profit?

7 Lord Of The Pies  May 14, 2015 10:27:13am

Is this not the stupidest, most fucked up thing to say==>

As the second largest bottler in the state, we’re filling a role many others aren’t filling. It’s driven by consumer demand, it’s driven by an on-the-go society that needs to hydrate.

“one-the-go” give me a fucking break

8 John Vreeland  May 14, 2015 10:41:37am

this is a phony issue. The amount of water involved is trivial, and much of it is consumed in California, anyway.

9 Great White Snark  May 14, 2015 10:41:45am

re: #6 Lord Of The Pies

I’m separating issues. Would we be comfortable with small operators selling to Walmart or Costco? Minority owned and operated? Or if they cut the margin? Under what circumstances would it be okay to bottle water for drinking? Must we get our bottled water for drinking from thousands of miles away? Um, about that energy/carbon footprint we need to cut? What of that?

My overarching point is that the drought is way too serious to cloud up with other issues. Some point fingers at agriculture, because it’s so much water and such bog corporations. Their product is also sometimes known as “breakfast, lunch and dinner”.

It comes back to my question which has not been answered. If we can’t pump water for drinking, what other use can we possibly justify more?

Leveraging the drought to take shots at even rightly unpopular corporations is good advocacy, might even be smart politics but it’s awful, awful logic.

Drinking water pricing is one thing. The drought is another.

10 Skip Intro  May 14, 2015 10:52:50am

re: #3 Great White Snark

If we can’t pump water for drinking, what other use can we possibly justify more? Honestly we need a big water use chart so some sense of proportion can enter these discussions.

They pump our water then sell it out of state. Is there anything you Republicans object to business doing?

11 Great White Snark  May 14, 2015 11:19:08am

re: #10 Skip Intro

I’m not a Republican. And apparently you can’t or won’t separate separate issues. Why is that, and why is there still no answer to the question I did ask?

Should I resent that our food gets sold out of state that grew on our water? I don’t.

12 Lord Of The Pies  May 14, 2015 11:19:41am

re: #9 Great White Snark

It comes back to my question which has not been answered. If we can’t pump water for drinking, what other use can we possibly justify more?

Walmart is taking tap water, bottling it, then selling it for 600% markup. Bottled water is the biggest consumer ripoff in the last 30 years and plastic bottles are forming ENTIRE FUCKING ISLANDS THE SIZE OF TEXAS in all the oceans.

13 Great White Snark  May 14, 2015 11:20:46am

re: #12 Lord Of The Pies

How is that related to the drought? Why is this not a wholly separate issue?

Added edit-Your objections to bottled are valid no matter where the water is bottled. No matter who bottles it. There is just no relation between our drought and what gets made into drinking water municipal or bottled or supplied to a food or drink maker.

14 philosophus invidius  May 14, 2015 11:21:10am

Remember this?

en.wikipedia.org

15 b_sharp  May 14, 2015 11:25:36am

re: #3 Great White Snark

If we can’t pump water for drinking, what other use can we possibly justify more? Honestly we need a big water use chart so some sense of proportion can enter these discussions.

This isn’t pumping water for drinking, this is pumping for selling in a broad market. Each community has it’s own pumping for drinking set up.

16 Great White Snark  May 14, 2015 11:28:36am

re: #15 b_sharp

Until you consider the communities that have wells that no longer work. Which are increasing by the month. And I for one won’t pretend that bottled drinking water is not a necessary consumer product to have on the market. Water, food, so many consumer necessities are made all over the place.

About the litter factor, California is proactive. It literally pays to recycle these bottles.
en.wikipedia.org

17 b_sharp  May 14, 2015 11:45:25am

re: #16 Great White Snark

Until you consider the communities that have wells that no longer work. Which are increasing by the month. And I for one won’t pretend that bottled drinking water is not a necessary consumer product to have on the market. Water, food, so many consumer necessities are made all over the place.

All sources of water use should be evaluated, but ignoring one because it’s a small portion isn’t a good idea. The argument that bottled water is just a way to distribute water is a bit naive, there are other, more beneficial to the community, ways of doing it that would be less costly. Nobody is claiming that bottling water is the sole problem, nor the greatest, just a part of the larger problem.

On the other hand, the attitude espoused by the Nestle CEO is a major problem because it reflects a set of values that will acerbate the water shortage. At a time when people need to make concessions and pull together, the CEO is sounding callous, greedy and frankly denying that the drought is important.

18 Great White Snark  May 14, 2015 11:55:11am

re: #17 b_sharp

My objection is we are leveraging an unrelated emergency to settle old scores. That’s no way to run a crisis. Yes Walmart has some awful policies, Nestles guy flunks the attitude test. For once we need to work an emergency straight. Kick the politics and rhetoric to the curb. If this drought response devolves into political/advocated weapon, we will set ourselves back into a worse position.

My outrage? Hijacking this emergency for partisan goals.

19 Death Panel Truck  May 14, 2015 12:50:35pm
“Frankly, we’re very happy [consumers] are doing it in a healthier way.”

Yeah, ‘cuz drinking water from a BPA plastic bottle is really healthy.

20 shecky  May 14, 2015 5:17:47pm

re: #6 Lord Of The Pies

So you are OK with Nestlé and Walmart pumping out water to sell it at a 600% profit?

Umm… yes.

Ooohhh, I must be a republican!

21 freetoken  May 15, 2015 9:00:26am

Living in California, and in one of the driest parts of California, I don’t really care about the bottle water companies. It’s too small of a use of water to matter in water-policy.

Our problems are more profound. Put simply, we are the leading food (by which I mean human food, not food for animals or ethanol factories) state, and that means large water use. I’m not against the use of water for agriculture, rather I am for it. But if we are running out of water (and we are in a practical sense) then that means we can’t keep agriculture as the way it has been. And I think not on Californians but all Americans are not aware of what that will mean in the big picture.


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