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1 b_sharp  May 15, 2015 6:01:11pm

Fuck, I wish the Harper government would just disappear.

2 WhatEVs  May 16, 2015 8:23:29am

re: #1 b_sharp

Fuck, I wish the Harper government would just disappear.

One can only hope that Alberta was the proverbial canary in the coal mine. I know Alberta hasn’t become lefty converts - at this point - but I hope (hope, hope) that that election was a sign of times to come…and Harper, et al, will be gone soon.

3 Dark_Falcon  May 16, 2015 11:28:30am

re: #1 b_sharp

Fuck, I wish the Harper government would just disappear.

Why bring that up? If the law or regulation violates NAFTA, then it violates it. It doesn’t matter what party the finance minister or treasury secretary who brings up the violation belongs to. And the US could decide the Volcker Rule is more important than NAFTA, though that might do trade damage.

This is about a law whose passage Barack Obama supported, not about anything Stephen Harper did.

4 WhatEVs  May 16, 2015 11:54:47am

re: #3 Dark_Falcon

Because Harper sucks? That works for me.

5 subterraneanhomesickalien  May 16, 2015 1:42:41pm

Whats that mantra that Sovereign Citizen types and other flavors of quasi-fascist conservative nimrods use when they don’t like a law that in their objective batshit minds they view as unconstitutional?

Oh ya ignore it like it doesn’t exist.

I don’t view this treaty as constitutional, and I believe it violates the sovereignty of the United States of America, because from the start it completely annihilated the textile industry in the United States(It shut down a plant from which my father was a fork lift driver for 20 years withing a few years after its passing, so the Lee’s jeans company could set up shop in Mexico), and many other manufacturing industries were soon to follow due to offshoring labor out to governments that don’t care if their citizens are sold out a near slave labor rates to multinational corporations. So I think that dipshit Neo-Liberal cabal currently running Canada can go fuck themselves.

I think its probably one of the few things that Democratic Socialists like myself and Ron Paul types can agree about. We need desperately to be out from under this contract written by billionaires and overseen and policed by billionaires, for the increased profits of more billionaires.

6 ObserverArt  May 16, 2015 6:29:08pm

Senate Cuts Deal To Pass Obama’s Secretive Trade Bills

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“The announcement today will drive home the importance of the message that the pro-trade Democrats sent yesterday,” said Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.), who helped craft the compromise after he helped filibuster the trade bill that he supports. “That enforcement, enforcement of the trade laws is a prerequisite to a modern trade policy, a trade policy that sets aside once and for all the NAFTA playbook. Suffice it to say that was the message conveyed yesterday by pro-trade Democrats.”

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But Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio), who led the Tuesday filibuster, said the deal was good enough.

“I understand that all four aren’t going to be together exactly the way I want it, I understand that,” Brown said. “But I can read votes. I also think that nobody saw us being successful yesterday three days out. And people have strong feelings about the customs enforcement and people have strong feelings about taking care of workers.”

I heard some democrats talking the other day saying the bill does indeed have protections and sets some laws to protect US interests that are needed and were not in NAFTA. They seem to be happy with its direction. They seem to be happy with the bills ‘teeth.’

Also, as Obama has stated. Deal with Asia now, or seal ourselves out of any trade with Asia if China gets in and cuts deals. If we become trade isolationists it will end up costing us.

It is my feeling there is definitely some politics being played by Elizabeth Warren, that I am okay with. After all, she will still have a political career after Obama is out of office. There is also politics being played by the media and other politicians. It is what they do.

I don’t see how we can all be critical on this bill when we have not seen the details. Are we just going to believe we did nothing to learn form NAFTA? All the criticism we have seen is on NAFTA, If this bill is not NAFTA-like, those criticisms are unearned.

I am a centrist, and I do believe there is some freaking out going on in the more far left side of the party, many who are Warren’s base. I have no problem with that. Heck, even my fav Senator from Ohio Sherrod Brown, who strongly supported Warren’s initial stance was fine with it proceeding, and two weeks ago he was steadfast against the whole deal.


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