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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 22, 2015 • 6:19:16am

I recommended this for a front page post.

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harlequinade  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:35:55am

Seconded

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syphonblue  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:36:47am

You don’t have to be an expert to see the footage was edited. It’s clear as fucking day.

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mroop  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:44:36am
This officer intended to escalate the situation, and made ever effort to make the situation as difficult for Bland as possible.

LOL That’s ridiculous. Obviously your experience with the cops is very limited. He wrote her a warning ticket and was about to let her go. She couldn’t keep her stupid yap shut. Again, morons are entitled to act like jerks and cop an attitude with the cops, but this is a fight that you cannot win. Take your ticket and get away from the cop as soon as possible.

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syphonblue  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:48:03am

re: #4 mroop

Yeah totally. Speaking back to a cop is totes justification for arrest and murder. Totes. You nailed it.

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mroop  Jul 22, 2015 • 8:02:52am

re: #5 syphonblue

Yeah totally. Speaking back to a cop is totes justification for arrest and murder. Totes. You nailed it.

Wow. Please feel free to quote where I said anything even close to that. Yet again, you have a right to speak back to a cop.

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syphonblue  Jul 22, 2015 • 8:07:40am

re: #6 mroop

Then why are you calling her a stupid moron who couldn’t keep her trap shut? She’s perfectly allowed to vent her feelings. Maybe the cop should’ve just given her the warning and walked away? What harm was she causing him by being angry?

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mroop  Jul 22, 2015 • 8:19:12am

re: #7 syphonblue

Then why are you calling her a stupid moron who couldn’t keep her trap shut? She’s perfectly allowed to vent her feelings. Maybe the cop should’ve just given her the warning and walked away? What harm was she causing him by being angry?

Because she could have driven away instead of ending up in a cell! Of course the cop could have given her a warning and let her go and she was causing no harm by being angry. The problem is that when you cop an attitude with a cop you will never win. Take the ticket and get away from the cop as soon as possible. I will quote Chris Rock, “‘Just got pulled over by the cops wish me luck.” I’m a traffic lawyer, consider my advice to be legal advice that you can count on. Minimize your interactions with the police as much as possible. Take the ticket, say thank you, drive away. If you had a problem, call an attorney or your local Legal Services. I represent people like Sandra Bland, not cops.

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Skip Intro  Jul 22, 2015 • 8:44:28am

So now Texas has decided to just dispense with all of this trial nonsense and go right to the execution.

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team_fukit  Jul 22, 2015 • 9:18:47am

It seems to me like calling Sandra Bland “arrogant” (like the ex-cop on CNN) or “stupid” is just another way of saying “uppity.”

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Dr. Matt  Jul 22, 2015 • 9:25:08am

re: #10 team_fukit

It seems to me like calling Sandra Bland “arrogant” (like the ex-cop on CNN) or “stupid” is just another way of saying “uppity.”

Bingo. She was not being confrontational at all. The cop was the one that said, “Is there something wrong? You seem like you have an attitude.” The cop escalated the situation. And she was in her POV and had every right to smoke in her POV.

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Doofus  Jul 22, 2015 • 9:32:14am

Take the ticket, after all, the side of the road isn’t court.

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Great White Snark  Jul 22, 2015 • 9:42:53am

I’m writing an email to a company that ,makes copp dash cams and unifor cams. Asking about the format of the digital video files. It might be proprietary for chain of evidence purposes or it might be just mpeg or mov.

Trying to see if digital video has metadata to show “original” like a raw file does in stills.

This link might help..

taser.com

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mroop  Jul 22, 2015 • 9:49:54am

I just checked some dash cam files. They’re all avi format. These are NJ state police files.

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Great White Snark  Jul 22, 2015 • 10:01:08am

re: #14 mroop

So not a proprietary format, next question becomes chain of evidence metadata. Was that a model for police or just a commercial unit?

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CuriousLurker  Jul 22, 2015 • 10:12:11am

Reposted from the other page where this is being discussed:

To contend that during a police stop in a free society a citizen’s first thought and indeed primary concern should be about “self preservation” is jaw-droppingly absurd. The police are paid, trained professionals and ABSOLUTELY NO ONE should need to be concerned about being beaten, raped, or murdered when dealing with them—that’s classic bullshit victim-blaming at its most egregious.

If a cop’s mental state is so fragile or his fear of the public so great that he might maim or kill in the normal course of his duties, then he shouldn’t be on the street carrying a badge & gun. To assert otherwise is to not only condone, but also help perpetuate such behavior.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 22, 2015 • 10:15:08am

Above all, Sandra Bland failed the Attitude Test. She refused to submit to authority in a way which satisfied the trooper. That was her greatest crime and one that we have seen far too often. Commentators will, of course, point out that had Miss Bland simply done what she was told she would not have been arrested. Those very same critics tend to have “Don’t Tread on Me,” bumper stickers, so there’s that. Officers, though, are supposed to be able to put up with all sorts of attitude during traffic stops - from the executive who pulls a “Do you know who I am?” to the young white woman who uses flirtation or forced tears to get out of a ticket — yes, that happens. Somehow those methods at avoiding responsibility don’t lead to threats to “light you up.”

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Khal Wimpo  Jul 22, 2015 • 10:18:38am

re: #16 CuriousLurker

Reposted from the other page where this is being discussed:

To contend that during a police stop in a free society a citizen’s first thought and indeed primary concern should be about “self preservation” is jaw-droppingly absurd. The police are paid, trained professionals and ABSOLUTELY NO ONE should need to be concerned about being beaten, raped, or murdered when dealing with them—that’s classic bullshit victim-blaming at its most egregious.

If a cop’s mental state is so fragile or his fear of the public so great that he might maim or kill in the normal course of his duties, then he shouldn’t be on the street carrying a badge & gun. To assert otherwise is to not only condone, but also help perpetuate such behavior.

This. Absolutely. What keeps coming through in all these incidents is that there is a widespread failure to adequately supervise in law enforcement departments. Officers are under pressure and the job is Teh Suxx0r. But at some point, a field supervisor or the watch commander should have noticed that this LEO was generating a rising amount of complaints, that their paperwork was shoddy, that the people they hooked up & brought in were for odd offences (such as Failure to Signal).

In a real department like the LAPD, bringing someone into the station for Failure to Signal would result in the Sergeant pulling the officer into the locker room for a tense, jaw-clenched “Whatthefuckareyoudoingoutthere” speech. You don’t clog the process with shit that doesn’t need to be dealt with. Unless you’re a slug desperately trying to boost your stats with B.S. “fast food” arrests.

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blueraven  Jul 22, 2015 • 10:21:14am

re: #8 mroop

Because she could have driven away instead of ending up in a cell! Of course the cop could have given her a warning and let her go and she was causing no harm by being angry. The problem is that when you cop an attitude with a cop you will never win. Take the ticket and get away from the cop as soon as possible. I will quote Chris Rock, “‘Just got pulled over by the cops wish me luck.” I’m a traffic lawyer, consider my advice to be legal advice that you can count on. Minimize your interactions with the police as much as possible. Take the ticket, say thank you, drive away. If you had a problem, call an attorney or your local Legal Services. I represent people like Sandra Bland, not cops.

Do you refer to all of your clients as “stupid morons”?
That is a really sick thing to say about a woman who is now dead.

The officer at the scene was way out of line. And while your point about just taking the ticket and STFU may be good advice…that doesn’t excuse over the top aggression by police, nor does it make it right.

He needs to be held accountable for his part in the horrible outcome of his actions.

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Great White Snark  Jul 22, 2015 • 10:25:12am

re: #8 mroop

Because she could have driven away instead of ending up in a cell! Of course the cop could have given her a warning and let her go and she was causing no harm by being angry. The problem is that when you cop an attitude with a cop you will never win. Take the ticket and get away from the cop as soon as possible. I will quote Chris Rock, “‘Just got pulled over by the cops wish me luck.” I’m a traffic lawyer, consider my advice to be legal advice that you can count on. Minimize your interactions with the police as much as possible. Take the ticket, say thank you, drive away. If you had a problem, call an attorney or your local Legal Services. I represent people like Sandra Bland, not cops.

Ummm, no. We have every right to expect far better of our law enforcers.

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WhatEVs  Jul 22, 2015 • 10:32:38am

re: #8 mroop

Because she could have driven away instead of ending up in a cell! Of course the cop could have given her a warning and let her go and she was causing no harm by being angry. The problem is that when you cop an attitude with a cop you will never win. Take the ticket and get away from the cop as soon as possible. I will quote Chris Rock, “‘Just got pulled over by the cops wish me luck.” I’m a traffic lawyer, consider my advice to be legal advice that you can count on. Minimize your interactions with the police as much as possible. Take the ticket, say thank you, drive away. If you had a problem, call an attorney or your local Legal Services. I represent people like Sandra Bland, not cops.

Good to know a defense attorney believes in citizens giving up their 1st Amendment speech (attitude or not) in stating their displeasure with the government, as represented by the aforementioned police officer.

I have so rarely heard of an attorney referring to themselves as a lawyer. What kind of attorney are you? (Before you ask my experience with attorneys, my ex is a criminal defense attorney.)

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WhatEVs  Jul 22, 2015 • 10:40:49am

re: #21 WhatEVs

Further, in all the years I was with my ex, a real criminal defense attorney, he never spoke of his clients (some of whom were charged with absolutely horrific crimes) in the way this ignorant, supposed attorney did of a now-deceased-no-longer-a-defendant.

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team_fukit  Jul 22, 2015 • 11:20:03am

My other question, somewhat unrelated, is (if she actually did self inflict) how the hell did she get a garbage bag in her jail cell?

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mroop  Jul 22, 2015 • 1:09:20pm

re: #15 Great White Snark

So not a proprietary format, next question becomes chain of evidence metadata. Was that a model for police or just a commercial unit?

I don’t know the model of the dash cam. I just know that my videos are all from cameras mounted on the dashboard of State Trooper police cars.

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mroop  Jul 22, 2015 • 1:14:51pm

re: #16 CuriousLurker

Reposted from the other page where this is being discussed:

To contend that during a police stop in a free society a citizen’s first thought and indeed primary concern should be about “self preservation” is jaw-droppingly absurd. The police are paid, trained professionals and ABSOLUTELY NO ONE should need to be concerned about being beaten, raped, or murdered when dealing with them—that’s classic bullshit victim-blaming at its most egregious..

I agreed with you up until the “victim-blaming” comment. Of course it’s absurd that you should be concerned about self-preservation during a police stop. It’s also a fact. It’s the world we live in. My job is to minimize the harm to my client and I do the best I can because that’s why they pay me. You can tell me about how the world should be and I will probably agree with you. I’m telling you how it is. Don’t fight with the cop. You will never win. Don’t cop an attitude. Get yourself out of there. Minimize the interaction and get yourself away from the cop. If you want to do something different, don’t say I didn’t warn you.

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mroop  Jul 22, 2015 • 1:26:24pm

re: #21 WhatEVs

Good to know a defense attorney believes in citizens giving up their 1st Amendment speech (attitude or not) in stating their displeasure with the government, as represented by the aforementioned police officer.

I have so rarely heard of an attorney referring to themselves as a lawyer. What kind of attorney are you? (Before you ask my experience with attorneys, my ex is a criminal defense attorney.)

How insulting. What a sick way to twist my words. I’m telling you how to avoid trouble, time in jail, a record you will have to expunge even if you are just arrested and not convicted, thousands of dollars of fines, attorney fees, missing work for courts, and so on. If you want to use your free speech right with the cops, go right ahead! I’ll be happy to take your money. Speak to any attorney and he will tell you the same thing. Keep your mouth shut and call your lawyer when you can.

I do municipal court mostly, that’s town court, everything from a cell phone to dwi, drug possession, assault and so on. I just got back from a guy who was 37 mph over. I have a celebrity client now and I’m about to get him off on a dwi, probably. I googled him and apparently when he was pulled over for a dwi in another state he asked the cops why they didn’t just let him go like the cops usually let him go. The cops took him home and buried the case. Then he went to another city and a reporter wrote an article asking whatever happened with the dwi. That’s when the cops charged him - two years after the incident. That is not my case. I have him for another dwi. Cops can be bad news. Stay away from them and if you have to interact with them keep your mouth shut as much as possible. Amazing that this simple advice is considered controversial.

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mroop  Jul 22, 2015 • 1:35:35pm

re: #19 blueraven

Do you refer to all of your clients as “stupid morons”?
That is a really sick thing to say about a woman who is now dead.

The officer at the scene was way out of line. And while your point about just taking the ticket and STFU may be good advice…that doesn’t excuse over the top aggression by police, nor does it make it right.

He needs to be held accountable for his part in the horrible outcome of his actions.

Of course the cop needs to be held accountable if he broke the rules, which apparently he did. I have definitely told clients that they acted like morons and lectured them how to handle themselves so maybe they won’t have to pay me again. That costs me money! :) I should lecture them to assert their First Amendment rights when pulled over because that always ends well. lol

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CuriousLurker  Jul 22, 2015 • 5:22:26pm

re: #25 mroop

I agreed with you up until the “victim-blaming” comment. Of course it’s absurd that you should be concerned about self-preservation during a police stop. It’s also a fact. It’s the world we live in. My job is to minimize the harm to my client and I do the best I can because that’s why they pay me. You can tell me about how the world should be and I will probably agree with you. I’m telling you how it is. Don’t fight with the cop. You will never win. Don’t cop an attitude. Get yourself out of there. Minimize the interaction and get yourself away from the cop. If you want to do something different, don’t say I didn’t warn you.

Yeah, well I’m past the half century mark of having lived on this earth and have managed to stay out of trouble and avoid being incarcerated all this time without your sage advice. Amazing, huh?

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mroop  Jul 22, 2015 • 6:07:58pm

re: #28 CuriousLurker

Yeah, well I’m past the half century mark of having lived on this earth and have managed to stay out of trouble and avoid being incarcerated all this time without your sage advice. Amazing, huh?

So you’re saying you’re not a dumbass like Sandra Bland. Good for you.

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mroop  Jul 22, 2015 • 6:13:54pm

re: #16 CuriousLurker

If a cop’s mental state is so fragile or his fear of the public so great that he might maim or kill in the normal course of his duties, then he shouldn’t be on the street carrying a badge & gun. To assert otherwise is to not only condone, but also help perpetuate such behavior.

Way to state the obvious. Of course no one “asserted otherwise” - nice failed attempt at a strawman.

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mroop  Jul 22, 2015 • 8:01:18pm

And btw, what exactly is it that you do to help people who who are victims of police wrongdoing? Bitch about it on the internet? I know what I do. I represent them against the State. I recently had a case with a crooked court clerk who put a ticket on my guy that was actually issued to her son. I beat the case. The rich father was coming down on me and telling me I should go to the media to report the corruption. I told him my goal was to get his son off, not make the town look bad - that could hurt my ability to help his son. If I screwed up the case the father could cause me problems. The case against my client was dismissed on my first appearance and the client did not even appear in court. The father thanked me profusely because this ticket was preventing his son from seeking employment. I do charge a fee, but I also help people who’ve been screwed by the cops. I do work for low income people through my county bar association as well. What about you?

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CuriousLurker  Jul 22, 2015 • 8:22:25pm

re: #31 mroop

And btw, what exactly is it that you do to help people who who are victims of police wrongdoing? Bitch about it on the internet? […]

I do work for low income people through my county bar association as well. What about you?

You smugness is really annoying and your assumptions about what people here do or don’t do to help those less fortunate than themselves makes you look the fool because they do what they do quietly and typically mention it rarely & only in passing. I’ve NEVER seen one of them wave their good deeds around in an attempt to belittle others. Stop digging.

That’s gonna be my last reply to you. From now on all you’ll get from me is down-dings for being obnoxious. #kthxbai

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mroop  Jul 22, 2015 • 9:17:27pm

You actually have a point there. I shouldn’t have taken your bait in the first place with your insinuations that I approve or condone police misconduct. With my last post, I will post my theory of the case.

Sandra Bland is mentally unstable. This is obvious from her videos, and I’m not talking about her admission of depression, I don’t think that means anything. Her driving record includes 2 dwi charges and 1 conviction, a drug offense conviction, driving without insurance (very serious), driving while suspended (also includes jail with multiple offenses) and a host of other stuff. She’s over $7,000 in debt to the State at the time she passes away.

Reports are mixed. Some say she had a job in Texas, some say she was going for interviews, others say she was made job offers. I’m going to assume that she probably didn’t include her criminal record on her applications. So she’s leaving Chicago and getting away from the mess she’s in to start a new life. A new job so she can pay off her debts and a new life in a new state.

But when she gets to Texas she loses her cool with a cop and ends up in a jail cell for days, charged with assault on a police officer and has to call home for bail money. That’s probably the end of her career at a college. Are they going to hire a dwi, drug possession, assaulting a cop applicant?

She was probably in that cell thinking that her life is over and she’s going to have to slink back to Chicago and move in with her parents. One report said she asked if the she could call home that morning but never made a call. Maybe she was contemplating a last phone call. It’s sad, but there is nothing heroic about this situation. A messed up girl ran into a douchebag cop with a disastrous result. For you uber libs advocating for free speech rights when a cop pulls you over - there is a man standing outside your window with a gun on his hip, you idiots. Go watch YouTube. There’s one video where the girl is running away in handcuffs and the cop pushes her down from behind, her head hits the ground and she’s immediately dead. I’ll bet when a cop pulls you over, you put the cigarette out before the cop even gets to your window.

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palomino  Jul 23, 2015 • 12:02:36am

re: #8 mroop

Because she could have driven away instead of ending up in a cell! Of course the cop could have given her a warning and let her go and she was causing no harm by being angry. The problem is that when you cop an attitude with a cop you will never win. Take the ticket and get away from the cop as soon as possible. I will quote Chris Rock, “‘Just got pulled over by the cops wish me luck.” I’m a traffic lawyer, consider my advice to be legal advice that you can count on. Minimize your interactions with the police as much as possible. Take the ticket, say thank you, drive away. If you had a problem, call an attorney or your local Legal Services. I represent people like Sandra Bland, not cops.

You’re ignoring the basic argument of most commenters here. Simply put, the system you describe is completely fucked up, and needs to be changed. People less composed and intelligent than Chris Rock don’t deserve abuse and degradation and death, just because they get angry at a cop. And the police culture of militarism, us vs. them, war zones, etc. is out of place in our society.

Instead of blaming victims, maybe you should place more emphasis on the cops you call “douchebags.” They’re the problem, not dumb motorists who have the nerve to speak to a cop as if he weren’t God.


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