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CuriousLurker  Jul 22, 2015 • 5:17:09pm

Interesting article, thanks. That said, I seriously doubt you’d fine anyone here linking to CounterPunch. I’ve been here for five years and have only seen it once or twice, and (IIRC) one of those times it was cited by a former lizard of the wingnut variety who was so anxious to hit me with a “gotcha” that he didn’t even bother to look closely at what he was linking to.

As a matter of fact, the only place where I’ve seen it linked to here is in older archived pages & articles, and it usually wasn’t presented in a positive way.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 22, 2015 • 5:44:07pm

I am surprised Glenn Greenwald is not on that list. These people are totes his BFFs.

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ThomasLite  Jul 22, 2015 • 6:39:54pm

Strange. I know Franklin Lamb is rather active in anti-Israël/anti-zionist (and limiting it to that is rather charitable) publications, but I have never seen any indication to tie him in to the political right.
If anything he seems very cozy with the anti-Israël (again, being charitable here) elements on the left (although to be fair he’s pretty much a single-issue guy from what I’ve seen, and mostly falls under the general ‘nutcase’ header).

That’s 170 articles out of 429 article disparity that vanish even if we don’t tie him in with the left instead (which, really, we shouldn’t anyway).

So in the end it’s only a very productive Paul Craig Roberts making up most of the disparity.
Incidentally, P.C. Roberts happens to be a sort-of-truther, kinda-anti-WoT type who seems to fit in more with the dudebro crowd than being the straight-up white supremacist the article makes him sound like.

Sorry, but this looks like one author who categorizes the political right as ‘that which I don’t like’ (albeit sometimes for good reasons) and draws this entire conclusion from one incorrect categorization and one statistical fluke.

Now if you want to criticize counterpunch for giving way too much of a voice to what might often easily be termed straight-up anti-semitism, sure, go for it. Absolutely true.
It’s just that it’s more in the dudebro/conspiracist sense that seems to appeal to a rather broader base and doesn’t really fit the usual left/right dichotomy.
Populist/conspiracist/contrarian, yeah. A voice of the political right, nah.

And really, the ‘querfront’ attempt to argue that all bigotry in more economically left-leaning groups is some insidious right-wing infiltration attempt is weak. There’s plenty of bigotry to go around and it doesn’t all land comfortably far away from home.

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RadicalModerate  Jul 22, 2015 • 7:41:37pm

re: #3 ThomasLite

So in the end it’s only a very productive Paul Craig Roberts making up most of the disparity.
Incidentally, P.C. Roberts happens to be a sort-of-truther, kinda-anti-WoT type who seems to fit in more with the dudebro crowd than being the straight-up white supremacist the article makes him sound like.

Sorry, but this looks like one author who categorizes the political right as ‘that which I don’t like’ (albeit sometimes for good reasons) and draws this entire conclusion from one incorrect categorization and one statistical fluke.

Roberts is editor of the VDare website - that fact alone puts him squarely in the white supremacist crowd.

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Paul Canning  Jul 22, 2015 • 8:37:24pm

re: #4 RadicalModerate

Cheers for that.

This is an important piece of work exposing a website which does draw significant progressive clicks - I checked my timeline, lots of decent folk I know had links to them. That someone is discarding a far right contributor as insignificant and dismissing the whole project says everything about sections of the ‘progressive’ left in the West.

There is a long section in this very long piece about Ron Paul. The flirtation with him by sections of the left - not just in America - damns them IMO. They threw African Americans under the bus. Fact.

The point, as she summarises at the end is that

“the true orientation of CounterPunch is undeniable”

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Paul Canning  Jul 22, 2015 • 8:42:19pm

re: #3 ThomasLite

This is not a response to the article. This is a response to my LGF post.

The article is very long. Read that then tell me that my summary is incorrect.

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Paul Canning  Jul 22, 2015 • 8:52:35pm

Read the comments. It is very clear that this great piece of work has done its job. All the right people are pissed.

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ThomasLite  Jul 23, 2015 • 6:42:27am

re: #6 Paul Canning

This is not a response to the article. This is a response to my LGF post.

The article is very long. Read that then tell me that my summary is incorrect.

I’ve gone through the article and yes it was. I stand by my assertion that the author is lumping stuff in as left vs. ‘that which I don’t like, e.g., must be on the right, right?’.
Please adress this in the light of Franklin Lamb being lumped in with the ‘right’ which really has no basis in fact.
At that point the only discrepancy is one single statistical fluke.

As to #7, I don’t care what the latest internet herd response seems to be, the numbers the article touts as its basis simply don’t show what the article claims they do - by a long shot. Whatever herd response it then happens to elicit does not change the original invalidity of the argument.

re: #4 RadicalModerate

Roberts is editor of the VDare website - that fact alone puts him squarely in the white supremacist crowd.

Fair enough, did not know that. I mostly went through a bunch of his stuff at CP to see what the fellow actually publishes there.

Still that one fluke, though.

And while we’re at it anyway, since when is Gilad Atzmon so easily classified with the right? Dude is still plenty popular with the anti-Israël (charitable, again) left around here AFAIK. If anything I think he’s historically courted more of a left- than a rightwing audience.

Again, I’m not arguing CP is a good source. HELL no. Contrarian conspiracist crap sums up most of that list - both right and left, IMHO. I just take issue with the not-quite no true scotsman sentiment from a writer who obviously prefers to just reflexively associate everything distasteful with an opposite political direction.

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Skandal  Jul 28, 2015 • 7:21:19am

re: #8 ThomasLite

If you check out Atzmon’s recent contributions it is clear he is also courting the extreme right.


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