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blueraven  Aug 19, 2015 • 5:09:41pm

Well, there is this about that AP story, which was republished at HP.

also specualtion that an incomplete document was leaked…if you follow that twitter thread.

I usually follow the guys who are the experts when it comes to this deal.

Jeffrey Lewis
@ArmsControlWonk

also Max Fisher has written a lot and exposed many lies about it.

Max Fisher
@Max_Fisher

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Great White Snark  Aug 19, 2015 • 8:08:44pm

re: #1 blueraven

Well, there is this about that AP story, which was republished at HP.

also specualtion that an incomplete document was leaked…if you follow that twitter thread.

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I usually follow the guys who are the experts when it comes to this deal.

Jeffrey Lewis
@ArmsControlWonk

also Max Fisher has written a lot and exposed many lies about it.

Max Fisher
@Max_Fisher

Gah, gotta do better than that. “authenticated equipment’? What exactly does that even mean?

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The War TARDIS  Aug 19, 2015 • 11:41:38pm

re: #2 Great White Snark

Oh look, a cheerleader for war.

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blueraven  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:05:30am

re: #2 Great White Snark

Gah, gotta do better than that. “authenticated equipment’? What exactly does that even mean?

I have no idea what that means, and since it was deleted from the original AP article, maybe they don’t know either.

Reuters has a bit of a different take.

reuters.com

IAEA says access to Iran’s Parchin military site meets demands

Without International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) confirmation that Iran is keeping promises enshrined in its landmark July 14 nuclear accord with six world powers, Tehran will not be granted much-needed relief from sanctions.

According to data given to the IAEA by some member countries, Parchin might have housed hydrodynamic tests to assess how specific materials react under high pressure, such as in a nuclear explosion.

According to an unconfirmed Associated Press report citing a draft document, the IAEA would not send its own inspectors into Parchin but would instead get data from Iran on the site.

Asked if Iran would be allowed to conduct inspections itself to address concerns about Parchin, the IAEA said it was legally bound to keep its arrangements with Tehran confidential.

“The separate arrangements of the roadmap are consistent with the IAEA verification practice and they meet the IAEA requirements,” agency spokesman Serge Gas said in a statement.

Under a roadmap accord Iran reached with the IAEA alongside the July 14 political deal, the Islamic Republic is required to give the IAEA enough information about its past nuclear program to allow the Vienna-based watchdog to write a report on the issue by year-end.

And BTW…

re: #3 The War TARDIS

Knock it off. I don’t know how you get that out of what has been posted here. You are acting like a jerk.

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Great White Snark  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:20:58am

This bears watching with the microscope. Not because Obama, or Iran in particular, but the very uneven enforcement record of enforcement of these kinds of agreements. Just this morning we have news of artillery fire exchanged between NK and South Korea. NK of course being the most recent flagrant violator.

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blueraven  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:25:53am

Yes, and NK is the reason for the Additional Protocol inserted into the Iran deal.

Please do not be so naive to think that opponents of this deal are not leaking false or (selective) incomplete info to media.

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Great White Snark  Aug 20, 2015 • 6:41:28am

re: #6 blueraven

Yes, and NK is the reason for the Additional Protocol inserted into the Iran deal.

Please do not be so naive to think that opponents of this deal are not leaking false or (selective) incomplete info to media.

Good point, hopefully well met with this. Chose my words above to chat about this among the supporters. Hearing plenty from the critics daily. Also at this point we have to remember what dual use means for a nation that may want to put up satellites for good reasons. So a lot of this will remain secret, yet we can only think upon what we have. I guess the bottom line is watch Iran, watch the watchers. Enforce the deal, be willing to let a compliant Iran prosper or wield the proportional & appropriate tool as necessary if they break the deal.

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CuriousLurker  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:09:29am

re: #3 The War TARDIS

Oh look, a cheerleader for war.

He didn’t imply anything of the sort, and he sure as hell didn’t deserve your snark.

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blueraven  Aug 20, 2015 • 7:31:23am

Update: Statement from IAEA director, Amano.

Also…Amano was Bush’s choice for director of the IAEA. Iran was pushing for someone else.

wsj.com

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blueraven  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:14:14am
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blueraven  Aug 20, 2015 • 8:19:39am

And of course, this:

This was the goal here. To confuse and obfuscate. Mission accomplished. Media took AP report as gospel. No questions.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 20, 2015 • 3:06:16pm
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Great White Snark  Aug 21, 2015 • 10:54:26am

re: #12 Charles Johnson

Ah but AP put the missing paragraphs back in and stand behind the accusations such as they are. It does appear from the document released by IAEA that Iran will be allowed to use its people to gather soil samples from that facility. a facility associated with pockets and certain extreme tests of aerospace alloys. A facility associated with design work on a possible warhead, but not nuclear materials at all.

Two things true-One-Iranian people will be trusted for certain low level inspection tasks.
Two-The outrage is completely disproportionate to the reality. Again.

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blueraven  Aug 21, 2015 • 12:12:25pm

re: #13 Great White Snark

Ah but AP put the missing paragraphs back in and stand behind the accusations such as they are. It does appear from the document released by IAEA that Iran will be allowed to use its people to gather soil samples from that facility. a facility associated with pockets and certain extreme tests of aerospace alloys. A facility associated with design work on a possible warhead, but not nuclear materials at all.

Two things true-One-Iranian people will be trusted for certain low level inspection tasks.
Two-The outrage is completely disproportionate to the reality. Again.

The document released by the IAEA? Where are you getting that the IAEA released anything? There is an alleged draft document that AP has not seen but was “allowed to transcribe”. It was not released by the IAEA.


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