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CuriousLurker  Aug 28, 2015 • 12:09:24pm

Looks like Charles was correct (again) about believing things that come out of the wingnut-o-sphere.

Having a Planned Parenthood official discuss their operations in a way that comes across as ethically borderline has the potential to weaken the support of some less committed supporters and I don’t see anything wrong with acknowledging that.

If you mean acknowledging it when speaking to rational adults who don’t think anyone to the left of Attila the Hun is an America-hating commie, then yeah. The problem is, generally speaking, that’s not who you’re dealing with online—-just look around at all the conspiracy theories, bigotry, racism etc.

There is no more “loyal opposition.” In the current climate any concession will be seen as a weakness and exploited in the most vicious & unscrupulous way possible. You’re dealing with people who are only interested in winning, sportsmanship be damned.

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Lumberhead  Aug 28, 2015 • 2:32:47pm

re: #1 CuriousLurker

Looks like Charles was correct (again) about believing things that come out of the wingnut-o-sphere.

If you mean acknowledging it when speaking to rational adults who don’t think anyone to the left of Attila the Hun is an America-hating commie, then yeah. The problem is, generally speaking, that’s not who you’re dealing with online—-just look around at all the conspiracy theories, bigotry, racism etc.

There is no more “loyal opposition.” In the current climate any concession will be seen as a weakness and exploited in the most vicious & unscrupulous way possible. You’re dealing with people who are only interested in winning, sportsmanship be damned.

I hope it was clear that neither I or Sarah Kliff believed what CMP was peddling.

Yes, I’m referring to rational adults and I believe they constitute a majority of the public. They might not be as politically aware or engaged as the average LGF poster but they are the people that we’re encouraging to get out and vote.
We’re all better off if PP officials or the Clinton campaign or ACORN don’t make ethically dubious statements to help out the CMPs and James O’Keefe-types that are out there. I don’t think conceding this is bad. Otherwise it could come off like “Who are you going to believe - me or your lying eyes/ears”. The concession is not that their characterization is correct but that there is a missing context. I don’t think that just telling people that they should dismiss the videos out of hand is an effective approach.
None of this is applicable to Freeper types, Yahoo or NY Post commenters, FOX News viewers, etc. They’re beyond reason and reach.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 28, 2015 • 7:15:02pm

We should keep in mind that people who work for media organizations like Vox have a serious vested interest in keep these kinds of controversies alive, and very little interest in finding out who’s really telling the truth. If they shut the issue down by telling the truth, they’re closing off a revenue stream. So they keep up the pretense as long as possible.

Sorry if that seems cynical, but I really believe that’s why the media continues promoting these kinds of obviously fraudulent right wing hit jobs.


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