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teleskiguy  Nov 12, 2015 • 2:09:37am

There are a lot of Bernie Sanders supporters at LGF.

We’re also pragmatic, knowing that if Bernie Sanders doesn’t get the nomination (which he won’t, trust me) that “Berniacs” will still vote for the candidate with the “D” next to their name as opposed to the candidate with the “R” next to their name.

It comes down to these three goddamn words:

SUPREME COURT APPOINTMENTS

I’m pretty sure Bernie Sanders will throw his support towards Hillary Clinton if he doesn’t win the nomination.

Bernie is doing a great thing. He’s running for president against all odds. He’s doing it because he believes in his work, and he cares for Unites States citizens. He’s a great American.

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teleskiguy  Nov 12, 2015 • 2:10:51am

Oh, and welcome to LGF!

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One Last Buddha  Nov 12, 2015 • 2:36:06am

Actually, a lot of Berniacs will not be voting for Hillary. H.A. Goodman has an article at Salon: “Hillary Clinton On The Wrong Side of Everything: Stop telling me I have to vote for her because of the Supreme Court.” Berniacs are the Democrat’s Tea Party. We are tired of getting rolled by Third Way Corpratists. IMO, unless Hillary can win without the Berniacs the next President will be a Republican.

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teleskiguy  Nov 12, 2015 • 2:43:13am

re: #3 One Last Buddha

Actually, a lot of Berniacs will not be voting for Hillary. H.A. Goodman has an article at Salon: “Hillary Clinton On The Wrong Side of Everything: Stop telling me I have to vote for her because of the Supreme Court.” Berniacs are the Democrat’s Tea Party. We are tired of getting rolled by Third Way Corpratists. IMO, unless Hillary can win without the Berniacs the next President will be a Republican.

Foolish cynicism.

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One Last Buddha  Nov 12, 2015 • 2:50:32am

And of course it will all be Ralph Nader’s fault.

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teleskiguy  Nov 12, 2015 • 2:54:50am

re: #5 One Last Buddha

You’re largely unfamiliar with LGF, I can tell.

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One Last Buddha  Nov 12, 2015 • 3:05:36am

Well I did mention I was just passing by. BTW, I’m a big fan of the Vagabond Scholar though. Is there an About Us button I should push and get on track?

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One Last Buddha  Nov 12, 2015 • 3:09:50am

I’m guessing there are a few fans of The Kirk Institute around here.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 12, 2015 • 3:37:42am

If we nominate HRC we have a tough fight, with or without the Bernie kids. If we nominate Bernie we lose. I learned that when I voted for McGovern. (If I could appoint presidents, Robert Reich would get it, or Bernie, or Elizabeth Warren in that order.)

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Decatur Deb  Nov 12, 2015 • 3:46:12am

re: #8 One Last Buddha

I’m guessing there are a few fans of The Kirk Institute around here.

Bible thumpers? I doubt it.

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Jayleia  Nov 12, 2015 • 5:28:18am

re: #3 One Last Buddha

You don’t want to add Bernie to “The List of Spoiler Candidates that Went on to Fuck Everything Up for the Whole Fucking World”, I LIKE what Bernie wants, I want Bernie to drag the debate left.

If he wins the primary, I’ll vote for him. I’ll vote for Clinton in the primary, though, because I think that she has more of a chance against the Republicans. I don’t really like her though.

But I’ll take someone I don’t like over any of the people in the GOP, all of whom, if you take them at their word will either plunge the US into fascism, bring about the End of Days, or just turn us back into the early-18th century or blow up the world economy, or some combination of all of the above…

THIS IS NOT A HARD CHOICE FOR ME, EVEN IF HILLARY WAS OWNED BY MONSANTO. (note the “if”)

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nines09  Nov 12, 2015 • 7:15:35am

If you give a rats ass about anything at all you do the right thing. You keep the cult out of the WH.
If Bernie doesn’t get the nod and you vote for Hillary, that is called compromise. If Bernie doesn’t get the nod and you vote for a Republican (they call themselves that, but you and I know the truth) or withhold your vote, that is called stupidity. Period.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 12, 2015 • 9:32:19am

re: #8 One Last Buddha

I’m guessing there are a few fans of The Kirk Institute around here.

Wut?

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One Last Buddha  Nov 12, 2015 • 10:43:21am

Still exploring the ideological slant. The front page indicates legitimate scorn of the Clown Car, but does not clearly identify a party affiliation. Until I registered I didn’t know there was an article section. FWIW, I was a delegate for Bush 41 to my state republican convention in 1982. I’m a swing voter who can’t abide the political power structure of either party.
My first take on ideology at LGF was that there were a few of the endangered species I call rational conservatives. I should have clarified my reference to The Russell Kirk Institute and Kirk’s Ten Conservative Principles.
I guess the closest description of my current political ideology is Conservative Democratic Socialist with Libertarian tendencies. Don’t you just love political labels?

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CleverToad  Nov 12, 2015 • 1:56:51pm

LGF ideological slant - taken as a whole, sane and pragmatic.

My personal slant - the primary role of a functioning government is the defense and maintenance of the commons; and the common weal includes providing a safety net that ensures no one in a rich country should be starving. The Dems ain’t perfect, but the current Republicans are posting ‘for sale’ signs on the commons. They’ve abandoned governance for power, and democracy for oligarchy (though they are quibbling about whether the oligarchs are required to pay obeisance to theocracy in social matters, with the understanding that the secular billionaires hold the economic reins). They’re not conservatives, they’re radical reactionaries.

I hope Bernie is saner than his supporters. If we elect a Democrat we can push them left. If the purists sulk in their tents the Republican wins and we’re all screwed with them.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 12, 2015 • 2:25:41pm

We’re licensed to keep a few conservatives—it’s sort of a raptor rescue project.

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One Last Buddha  Nov 12, 2015 • 4:14:15pm

Raptor Rescue Project - Yes! If humanity survives the next 20 years that may preserve the faint memory of Teddy Roosevelt conservatism.
Re Clever Toad: Sane and pragmatic is good, but I fear the political, social and economic spheres are no longer susceptible to rational solutions for national and global crisis. I am convinced Bernie is mankinds last hope to prevent global extinction of our species. Even a massive co-ordinated global effort may be too little too late.
The European Union is a basket case dominated by a German austerity stranglehold. Preventing ecological destruction would require a massive combined effort from the U.S., Europe, Russia and China. The necessary financial and scientific solutions require an environmental Marshall Plan that would require a politically unacceptable sacrifice in global standards of living from all industrialized nations.
Bernie is eager to lead the charge, but can he bring the American people and political process around in time? If America does not lead no other nation has the necessary resources. We would have to commit at least half of our military budget immediately. If not sooner.
Ecological destruction is too lucrative and I believe too entrenched globally for any solution short of economic revolution.
Alien archeologists will conclude that homo sapiens were very close to achieving a galactic civilization, but were destroyed by greed.

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bratwurst  Nov 12, 2015 • 5:25:23pm

Didn’t someone run this troll already here once?

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Decatur Deb  Nov 12, 2015 • 5:36:36pm

re: #18 bratwurst

Didn’t someone run this troll already here once?

Only 18 hours or so old. Waiting for a tell.

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bratwurst  Nov 12, 2015 • 5:42:54pm

re: #19 Decatur Deb

Only 18 hours or so old. Waiting for a tell.

“burnt out old pot smuggler”
” too much like voting for my ex-wife”
and
“guessing there are a few fans of The Kirk Institute around here”

told me everything I need to know.

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One Last Buddha  Nov 12, 2015 • 5:45:50pm

Well I tried to locate an About Us button to see if I was a troll. Was it something I said? One of those micro-aggression thingies the kids are all up in arms about? It ain’t easy being an old timer these days. Unfortunately, getting older is going to get way more difficult the way things are going.

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bratwurst  Nov 12, 2015 • 5:51:17pm

re: #21 One Last Buddha

Well I tried to locate an About Us button to see if I was a troll. Was it something I said? One of those micro-aggression thingies the kids are all up in arms about? It ain’t easy being an old timer these days. Unfortunately, getting older is going to get way more difficult the way things are going.

Anyone still not convinced?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 12, 2015 • 5:52:23pm

Sure, you’re welcome to hang out if you’re genuinely interested in joining the community.

A lot of the conversation happens in the thread on the front page articles.

Most of us really are pragmatic, though. Considering yourself the “Democrats’ Tea party” probably isn’t going to win many friends as we watch what the Tea Party is accomplishing in their pursuit of ideological purity.

I’m much more interested in maintaining my right to choose than catering to some purist’s hurt feelings.

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One Last Buddha  Nov 12, 2015 • 6:00:27pm

I don’t understand why being an old pot smuggler is a problem. That was just a light hearted historical foot note. If I can’t criticize Hillary
or Carley I’m gone anyway. Their gender has nothing to do with why they are unacceptable IMO. Is there a problem with Teddy Roosevelt conservatism?
Is it ok to smoke some Cali Kush while I wait to find out if I’m a troll?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 12, 2015 • 6:03:09pm

re: #24 One Last Buddha

People offer criticism of several of the Dem candidates all the time. However, martyr complexes don’t tend to get too far.

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bratwurst  Nov 12, 2015 • 6:04:09pm

re: #24 One Last Buddha

If I can’t criticize Hillary
or Carley I’m gone anyway. Their gender has nothing to do with why they are unacceptable IMO.

That is why you compared both to your ex-wife, right?

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One Last Buddha  Nov 12, 2015 • 6:05:08pm

Ok. I’ll jump to the front page posts for comments. Still don’t know why anything I said is considered trollish. I’m not easily offended and won’t get butt hurt if I’m banned. Didn’t intend to be disruptive of community norms.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 12, 2015 • 6:06:44pm

re: #27 One Last Buddha

There’s a history of folks creating accounts to troll. Not saying you are, but there are reasons folks are cautious.

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Decatur Deb  Nov 12, 2015 • 6:08:23pm

re: #27 One Last Buddha

Ok. I’ll jump to the front page posts for comments. Still don’t know why anything I said is considered trollish. I’m not easily offended and won’t get butt hurt if I’m banned. Didn’t intend to be disruptive of community norms.

You’re not even close to being banned. That takes dedicated assholery. If you post to the pages, though, there is a communal mechanism to shitcan obvious agitprop. Happens to some wandering Iranians routinely.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 12, 2015 • 6:08:59pm

re: #29 Decatur Deb

You’re not even close to being banned. That takes dedicated assholery. If you post to the pages, though, there is a communal mechanism to shitcan obvious agitprop. Happens to some wandering Iranians routinely.

Ah, our dear friends…

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Decatur Deb  Nov 12, 2015 • 6:14:26pm

re: #30 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Ah, our dear friends…

I looked into the Iranian stuff. They might be the best of a bad lot. Their postings get dumped because of the drive-by abuse of Charles’ digits.

(Also looked at the Goodman Salon article. It was lame and the commenters gave it short shrift.)

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 12, 2015 • 6:16:07pm

re: #31 Decatur Deb

I looked into the Iranian stuff. They might be the best of a bad lot. Their postings get dumped because of the drive-by abuse of Charles’ digits.

(Also looked at the Goodman Salon article. It was lame and the commenters gave it short shrift.)

I know that if they actually stayed and interacted and didn’t just dump and run, they’d probably find a fair bit of agreement.

I must have missed the Salon article, but with the Internet out and the writing things have been so off for me this month.

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One Last Buddha  Nov 12, 2015 • 6:43:54pm

Ok. I visited the front pages. Looks like I’ll have to learn the face book/twitter thingie to fully participate. I am baffled why anyone thinks I am a martyr or a purist. Might be a generational thing. You seem to have a young crowd around here (nothing wrong with that). There seems to be an unusual perspective on my comments that I fail to comprehend.
Comparing voting for Hillary or Carly to voting for my ex-wife was a joke that would require fruitless mansplaining. Unless a reference to Lester Cleghorn would would clear things up.

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One Last Buddha  Nov 12, 2015 • 6:44:12pm

Peace Out.

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CleverToad  Nov 12, 2015 • 7:05:38pm

re: #17 One Last Buddha

Raptor Rescue Project - Yes! If humanity survives the next 20 years that may preserve the faint memory of Teddy Roosevelt conservatism.
Re Clever Toad: Sane and pragmatic is good, but I fear the political, social and economic spheres are no longer susceptible to rational solutions for national and global crisis. I am convinced Bernie is mankinds last hope to prevent global extinction of our species. Even a massive co-ordinated global effort may be too little too late.

I’m not that pessimistic. I can’t be. I have a smart 17-year-old that I’m leaving this world to, and I’m going to try till my last breath to make it a livable world.
Yes, it’s going to take unending effort to change national policies, and it’s going to take sane people across the world pulling together on the rudder to keep turning the Titanic in a better direction. But I didn’t expect miracles out of Obama and I don’t expect miracles out of Bernie. The Oval Office doesn’t come with a magic wand.
It’s a long and a hard and a bloody road, but you keep walking. You keep fighting. And if that includes holding your nose and voting for the lesser of the two evils, you keep voting. I’m too old to hold out for perfect.

Wottheheck, I’m from a state where we hold marijuana job fairs now. There’s hope!

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Nov 12, 2015 • 7:11:43pm

re: #33 One Last Buddha

Some of us are young. Some of us are not.

Some of us use Twitter. Some of us do not. It’s certainly not required to interact with people on the main threads.

Perhaps you might not think you’re a purist, but you came in, identified yourself as being pro-Bernie, and seem to think that supporting Hillary would be worse than having a Republican in the White House. Judging from the comments you made, anyway. That reads more like a purist than a pragmatist.

Anyway, sorry you don’t feel like you’d fit in. Maybe you’re right, but I think it’s your loss for not sticking around and giving it a try.

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The Vicious Babushka  Nov 12, 2015 • 7:25:12pm

Bernie is not a Berniac

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subterraneanhomesickalien  Nov 13, 2015 • 5:46:53am

When you come in throwing elbows, you can’t expect to be welcomed with open arms even if you have ideological sympathizers.

I really have no time for you because you are the type that gave George W. Bush the White House for eight years because Bill Clinton didn’t give you single payer in 1993.

So go fuck yourself.

And I would vote for Bernie if he were the nominee, because I’m pragmatic. Take a lesson.

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subterraneanhomesickalien  Nov 13, 2015 • 5:53:05am

re: #34 One Last Buddha

Pussy

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palomino  Nov 13, 2015 • 9:18:50am

re: #24 One Last Buddha

I don’t understand why being an old pot smuggler is a problem. That was just a light hearted historical foot note. If I can’t criticize Hillary
or Carley I’m gone anyway. Their gender has nothing to do with why they are unacceptable IMO. Is there a problem with Teddy Roosevelt conservatism?
Is it ok to smoke some Cali Kush while I wait to find out if I’m a troll?

It’s not a problem as far as I can tell. And few, if any, of the commenters here are anti-pot zealots a la Chris “Mussolini” Christie.

The only problem is that you’re being kind of a snarky dick. And someone your age should know you can’t always get what you want. Sometimes, in an election, you have to choose the lesser of two evils. Since there are no Teddy Roosevelt Republicans left, you can vote for Hillary or a far right wing Republican. Or just sit it out and do nothing. And then watch the gop fuck things up like they did 10 years ago. Woo hoo, what integrity!

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wrenchwench  Nov 13, 2015 • 12:27:24pm

re: #24 One Last Buddha

I don’t understand why being an old pot smuggler is a problem. That was just a light hearted historical foot note. If I can’t criticize Hillary
or Carley I’m gone anyway. Their gender has nothing to do with why they are unacceptable IMO. Is there a problem with Teddy Roosevelt conservatism?
Is it ok to smoke some Cali Kush while I wait to find out if I’m a troll?

You’re a liar. From your post at the top:

My worst political nightmare is an election choice between Hillary and Carly. Either choice would be too much like voting for my ex-wife

Their gender is exactly what is unacceptable to you.

re: #33 One Last Buddha

Ok. I visited the front pages. Looks like I’ll have to learn the face book/twitter thingie to fully participate. I am baffled why anyone thinks I am a martyr or a purist. Might be a generational thing. You seem to have a young crowd around here (nothing wrong with that). There seems to be an unusual perspective on my comments that I fail to comprehend.
Comparing voting for Hillary or Carly to voting for my ex-wife was a joke that would require fruitless mansplaining. Unless a reference to Lester Cleghorn would would clear things up.

Fruitless indeed.

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One Last Buddha  Nov 13, 2015 • 1:44:35pm

Holy moley! What we have heah … a failure to communicate! The reason I dropped back in is … emails! I guess I was “throwing elbows” with comment #6 and I’m now a snarky dick and a lying troll.
As much as I appreciate the warm LGF welcome, please allow me to retort.
I was a delegate for Bush 41 when he lost to Reagan. I left the fold over Reagan’s war on Air Traffic Controllers. I thought David Stockman killed Reagonomics and it refused to die! It returned as Voodoo economics and morphed in to Freakanomics! Now we have the Vampire Squid orchestrating a Predatory Disaster Capitalism.
During the Big Dog’s impeachment I told a buddy that I didn’t leave the republican party, the republican party left me, because … Nascar Dads! I used to kick it with Nascar Dads and our biggest complaint was how low the Big Dog stooped from Marilyn Monroe. That Iis not intened to be offensive. It’s just how Nascar Dads think and talk.
I conceed that lumping Carly and Hillary into the same ex-wife category was a mistake on my part. Don’t kid yourself about the psychological/sociological problems men and women have voting for any woman for President. Is Thomas Frank sexist salon.com?
There are numerous reasons not to trust Hillary.
commondreams.org.

And
smirkingchimp.com
I can’t really argue with being accused of being a snarky dick. Does anyone have a timeline for when snark jumped the shark? I’m just an old dinosaur trying to understand a world gone mad.
Peace Out my friends. Good luck turning The Deep Ship of State around. We gave it our best shot back in the day. I wish nothing but the best for your quest for survival on many levels.

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One Last Buddha  Nov 13, 2015 • 1:48:12pm

Links failed. Still a long way behind the curve from my old Palm Pilot days. Tumblir? Reddit? Windows10? Can’t keep up and don’t really want to. Once again, Peace Out my friends.

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One Last Buddha  Nov 13, 2015 • 1:49:26pm

Jebesus. The links work! Am I a techno geek yet?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2015 • 3:22:19pm

astonishing that someone tries so hard to pretend not to be a self-righteous butthurt something, something, something…

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Boondocksaint  Nov 14, 2015 • 6:40:28pm

Welcome to LGF. By all means, say whats on your mind. Just be aware we tend to do the same. I come here to learn, not to preach (OK, sometimes I preach).

Keep an open mind, enjoy free speech and don’t try to be popular. I sure as hell don’t agree with everything everybody says on this site (what would be the fun in that?). But I do enjoy the intelligent discussion, top notch moderation (I make $5769 and hour at my computer!) and up to date news stories.

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One Last Buddha  Nov 14, 2015 • 8:30:52pm

Thank-you sir! A little busy getting drunk and stoned for the DEbate. Excellent coverage at New Republic! They just gave the candidate credit for … hard to believe wait for it … ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS!
Peace Out.www2.ucsc.edu

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One Last Buddha  Nov 14, 2015 • 8:51:49pm

Can’t wait for Peggy Noonan’s reaction. The most favorible comment I can make about Noonan is that she’s a lush.


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