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jsrtheta  Jan 11, 2016 • 11:28:54am

The problem is that this land didn’t belong to the “states” in the first place. It was federal land won by conquest or obtained by purchase or treaty. The constitutions of many of the states expressly recognize this.

WhatEVs  Jan 11, 2016 • 11:36:19am

Good article but why would you put this under Moonbats?

KerFuFFler  Jan 11, 2016 • 11:46:42am
As long as they promise to be good shepherds of the land, protecting it against abuse and commercial rape, making sure it is open for all of us to enjoy, watching out for the animals in our biosphere local and migratory.

Yeah, that’ll happen. It is easier to keep federal lands in compliance with federal environmental regulations. A lot of the land in that wildlife refuge took decades to restore after ranching, poor water management and overgrazing had made it practically worthless dustbowl terrain back in the ’30s. (This was land added to the refuge years after Teddy Roosevelt established it.) Local control is very unlikely to yield “good shepherds”.

CleverToad  Jan 11, 2016 • 1:22:45pm

And if you believe this, I have an island in Pennsylvania to sell you — three miles long, glows in the dark… (Hey, it’s going cheaper than that bridge in Brooklyn).

Not that I suspect you do, from the way you’ve phrased it. The only likely outcome, of course, is trashed parks where the cash-strapped states are unable to maintain the trails and facilities; with the most desirable lands in private hands within 20 years. (I forget offhand which Koch brother is busiest buying up all the mountain land he can get his hands on right now, and cutting public access.) And those fire restoration and mine clean-up projects impacting the water supplies? Yeah, right.

Too revolting to contemplate, when it’s too damn likely to happen under Republican control.

Tsuga  Jan 11, 2016 • 2:23:04pm

Remaining old-growth forests would nearly all be destroyed. There would be massive ecological degradation of other sorts, including from overgrazing. If states couldn’t afford the upkeep of these lands (likely) they’d sell them, so we’d see massive privatization at fire-sale prices. This transfer would also permanently wipe out any chance of some of these lands being returned to Native Americans.

This is a really, really bad idea that needs to be fought with every ounce of our strength. This threat needs to be in the forefront of public awareness so it doesn’t sneak though, with public regrets being after the fact and too late to ever put Humpty Dumpty back together again.

Re: #4, national parks are only a small part of federal lands in the west. They’d probably be retained by the feds as a fig leaf for the destruction that would result on the other lands.

otoc  Jan 11, 2016 • 6:59:06pm

My apologies, two massive jobs have taken over my time. I appreciate the discourse over this post.

I honestly don’t think there’s a chance that our federal government will hand over any land to the GOP because it’s an obvious ploy to play to the moonbat base for votes as well as a pretty obvious gambit to grab our nation’s lands for commercial gain. Frankly, that really pisses me off.

That’s why I gave this a moonbat heading.

But if they want to make a stand over this? And by “they” I don’t mean the Brokemind Mountain Cowboys, I mean the likes of Cruz, Rubio, Murkowski and the Republican National Committee. Let’s play their game of take no prisoners.

All with nothing, or nothing at all.

Let them weigh it the way Idaho did. States can’t afford the upkeep of the public lands without Federal support. It’s our collective tax dollars supporting them while they blow smoke up our butts saying it’s the evil Federal Government. And if they privatize our public lands, which is what they really want, then all Federal support towards their state is forfeited.

It’s the Planned Parenthood Gambit turned back in their faces with a smattering of the Federal budget ransom game they like to play.

Bet they would blink first.

As if it would ever happen. ;)

Amory Blaine  Jan 12, 2016 • 5:24:39am

re: #1 jsrtheta

Exactly, the language of “give it back” is a lie, it never was theirs to begin with. If they don’t like it, they can leave.

Tsuga  Jan 12, 2016 • 9:34:35am

re: #6 otoc

And if they privatize our public lands, which is what they really want, then all Federal support towards their state is forfeited.

How long would that last? Pretty soon those states would be back on the dole so they wouldn’t be ‘discriminated against’ compared to other states.

There is no way to make this work with any semblance of safety, not even as a mere proposal. These lands are not a bargaining chip. Period.

theheat  Jan 12, 2016 • 1:55:10pm

Historically, the private people using the land have been the very worst custodians anyone could choose since “leaving the fox to watch the henhouse.”

Given opportunity, private ownership opens the doors for the very worst kinds of non-conservancy, including irreparable land damage, hunting species to extinction, loss of habitat, pollution, inability to deal with natural or manmade disasters, etc.. The law of the land becomes kill it and drill it, or sell it, if money can be made. Glaze the rest with either concrete or cowshit, and that’s pretty much what’s happened everywhere.

The problem with private people doing their private shit as they please, is they’re altogether stupid and greedy. They can do that in their own back yard, but not public land.

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