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Rightwingconspirator  Oct 27, 2016 • 8:31:42pm

Rock solid tool to #pushback

Rightwingconspirator  Oct 27, 2016 • 8:37:32pm

BroncD  Oct 28, 2016 • 1:00:40pm

Maajid Nawaz does not belong on this list.

CuriousLurker  Oct 28, 2016 • 9:11:48pm

re: #3 BroncD

Such a well thought out, meticulously presented argument—I don’t know about the others, but I’m convinced. I’ll phone the experts over at the SPLC first thing Monday and demand that they remove poor Nawaz’s name forthwith. //

Ziggy_TARDIS  Oct 28, 2016 • 9:25:18pm

re: #4 CuriousLurker

He has a history of bashing perfectly good, and moderate groups to promote his own group (Quillam), and also siding with people like Sam Harris, and even grosser people. At best, he is an opportunist who bashes other Muslims for his own benefit. Think someone like Zudhi Jasser or Tarek Fatah. He is over in Britain and has not had much in the way of influence here. Hopefully, this report will help nip any chance of that right in the bud.

Nyet  Oct 29, 2016 • 3:23:39am

Great, thanks CL!

First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Oct 29, 2016 • 10:46:53am

OK, let’s hear the defense of putting Ayaan Hiris Ali on a list like this.

Also, the reflexive Sam Harris bashing ought to be embarrassing.

CuriousLurker  Oct 29, 2016 • 11:40:05am

re: #7 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

OK, let’s hear the defense of putting Ayaan Hiris Ali on a list like this.

Also, the reflexive Sam Harris bashing ought to be embarrassing.

I don’t know who your comment is addressed to, but since this is my page I’ll assume it’s addressed to me. I didn’t create the list, so I guess you’ll have to take it up with the SPLC if you think Hiris Ali’s inclusion is unwarranted, but I’d advise searching their site for everything they’ve documented about her (including her own words) before you do since they’re a non-partisan, non-profit organization whose sole reason for existence is to monitor & report on the activities of all domestic hate groups & extremists.

Better yet, you could read what the field guide says about her, and then explain why she shouldn’t be on the list. Sure, it’ll require more than the couple of minutes it took you to read this page and toss out a comment demanding proof, but since you’re the one disputing her inclusion it’s your job to defend her.

As for Harris, I didn’t bring him up and he’s not on the list, but I also happen to be of the opinion he’s a bigoted jackass. Whether or not you agree is irrelevant to me.

Thanos  Oct 29, 2016 • 3:08:38pm

I read Nawaz’s defense at the Daily Beast, however I do not see him refuting the specific items that SPLC calls out. Nawaz does make questionable generalizations about Islam, and then falls back to “I’m a Muslim so I should know” when people call him on it.

CuriousLurker  Oct 29, 2016 • 5:58:07pm

re: #9 Thanos

I too read Nawaz’s response, and you’re right, he didn’t refute the specific SPLC items. He also used the unpleasantly familiar wingnut DARVO tactic to make himself the victim. You might find the following interesting WRT to his connections:

The Quilliam Foundation is financed by Tea-Party conservatives investigated by Sam Harris (Jan. 2016)

David Cameron’s ‘counter extremism’ experts work with far-right Donald Trump sympathisers (Dec. 2015)

Quilliam’s CEO is Haras Rafiq If you google him and Hisham Kabbani you’ll start bumping into the likes of the Clarion Project, Heritage Foundation, Hudson Institute, Daniel Pipes, Frank Gaffney, Zuhdi Jasser and all other manner of questionable people/groups like the UK-based Sufi Muslim Council and the Islamic Supreme Council of America, both of which have neocon ties.

Of course, you’ll also find some “counter-jihadists” screeching about how those same people are actually Islamists who are pretending to be moderate as well as Islamists screeching about how they’re actually working towards a “Muslim Holocaust,” so take your pick. Trying to follow all the threads of this stuff often leads to a through-the-looking-glass sort of feeling and can quickly make your eyes gloss over. I would imagine that has a great deal to do with why they’re successful (that, and the millions of $$ being poured into such things).

More here, from some American Muslim sources:

Robert Spencer Wrong about claim that 80% of American Mosques are radicalized - update 6/4/15 The American Muslim (TAM), June 2015

Zuhdi Jasser does not belong on USCIRF The Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC), March 2012

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