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Chrysicat  Nov 13, 2016 • 10:45:47pm

Frighteningly, regarding your sub-head, it probably does more accurately show which side’s morals the modern right sides with. Similar to the way the only thing they seem to respect Lincoln for is keeping the Union together.

Honestly, at this point I’d almost rather they try to officially replace the Stars and Stripes with it so that they don’t tarnish the flag we all proudly grew up on should this mess have to be dealt with by outside actors once we’re unable to do anything.

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EiMitch  Nov 13, 2016 • 11:28:31pm

re: #1 Chrysicat

One a-hole cop flies the confederate flag two other jackasses, gets suspended for it, and that proves the right is pro-racism? Non-sequitur.

Trump didn’t get elected because half the voters are cool with racism. He got elected because two parties are too few. He got elected because rural people, who’re beset by rampant unemployment, addiction and suicide, didn’t want “four more years of Obama.” They wanted change, and there was no-one else but Trump.

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Chrysicat  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:11:45am

re: #2 EiMitch

“Two parties are too few”? Are you agitating for a Westminster-type system, or some other way that slides the country over to proportional representation?

Because I think most people even on our side wouldn’t try to put that through the amendment stage even if we were the ones a state away from having a full ratification slate…

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EiMitch  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:54:16am

re: #3 Chrysicat

I was saying we have a two party system and that’s why it wasn’t just racists who voted for Trump. Please don’t put words into my mouth just to rationalize staying inside a bubble. We could’ve prevented Trump’s election by paying attention to rural problems. Instead we tarred everyone on “that side” with the same brush and ignored them. We need to stop doing that.

Since you asked what can be done about our two party system, we can have more than two major parties, or replace one of the existing two parties. We just need to start supporting third parties all the time, as opposed to protest voting once every four years and then forgetting about them the rest of the time. Our major political parties didn’t appear from thin air. The Republican party began, ironically, as the anti-slavery Whig party. They grew in influence and power until they eventually replaced the Federalist party.

Likewise, major reforms to the system didn’t start from the top down. They’ve got to start at the bottom, at the grassroots level. Then work their way up to state-level elections and legislation. That’s how voting rights improved over the centuries. That’s how marijuana legalization is working. That’s how real changes have been accomplished. And there is no reason to think fixing our broken two party system will be any different.

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CuriousLurker  Nov 14, 2016 • 10:16:22am

FYI: The guy identified by the Daily News as a “former Grand Traverse County sheriff’s deputy” is named Ryan Salisbury, according to the Traverse City Record-Eagle.

I googled him and it turns out he was fired form the sheriff’s department back in 2013 after being charged with domestic violence (he was only charged with disturbing the peace and given probation after a plea deal was struck).

Nice friends this guy has.

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Timothy Watson  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:01:11pm

And someone having a Confederate Flag in Michigan is just about heritage I am sure.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 14, 2016 • 12:08:18pm

re: #6 Timothy Watson

And someone having a Confederate Flag in Michigan is just about heritage I am sure.

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Really, not that outrageous considering that back in the “good old days” lots of Appalachian folks headed to Michigan to work in the auto industry. They brought that “heritage” with them.
I remember back in the 60s and 70s in Cincinnati watching the traffic jams on I-75 as the workers headed home south on Fridays for the weekend and then heading back north on Sunday evenings.

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Flavia  Nov 14, 2016 • 1:19:18pm

It’s not “just one cop at one protest”

nydailynews.com

crooksandliars.com

nationalreport.net

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nines09  Nov 14, 2016 • 5:26:02pm

Wow. A fucking racist cop. My shocked face. Let me go get it. They are just a little bit more bold now. Out in the open. Enabled. Feeling good. Trump.

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palomino  Nov 14, 2016 • 6:31:31pm

re: #2 EiMitch

One a-hole cop flies the confederate flag two other jackasses, gets suspended for it, and that proves the right is pro-racism? Non-sequitur.

Trump didn’t get elected because half the voters are cool with racism. He got elected because two parties are too few. He got elected because rural people, who’re beset by rampant unemployment, addiction and suicide, didn’t want “four more years of Obama.” They wanted change, and there was no-one else but Trump.

ONE asshole cop? That’s all you’ve seen of this type of behavior since Trump burst on the scene 18 months ago?

Start paying attention to the patterns. And take a look at the earliest primary tracking polls. Trump shot to the top immediately after his Mexican rapists speech. No, racism isn’t all of Trump’s appeal. But it’s certainly a real part of the equation. It’s not some liberal fantasy. Hell, his five year birther stunt alone is enough to prove his exploitation of the prejudices of racists.

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EiMitch  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:46:55pm

re: #10 palomino

ONE asshole cop? That’s all you’ve seen of this type of behavior since Trump burst on the scene 18 months ago?

No, but it’s nice of you to put words into my mouth. I’ve been feeling nearly empty since election day.

Start paying attention to the patterns. And take a look at the earliest primary tracking polls. Trump shot to the top immediately after his Mexican rapists speech.

Only a relative few people participate in party primaries: the fanatics and outright whacks. It’s a very skewed sample by it’s nature.

No, racism isn’t all of Trump’s appeal. But it’s certainly a real part of the equation. It’s not some liberal fantasy.

I didn’t say liberals made it up. I said liberals painted everyone who voted Trump with the same brush. I was commenting on political polarization, of which we too are guilty. And your reply to me is proof.

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jaunte  Nov 14, 2016 • 8:49:41pm

“…Yeah, I know that’s not WHY you voted for him, but again, it didn’t stop you. Actively applauding someone who is doing wrong does make you culpable.

I am tired. Tired of being told I have to be a model citizen and a model lesbian. I have to represent my community properly in order to deserve care, protection, being treated like a human. Every type of marginalized person knows this dance. I say “I’m angry.” I say “I’m hurt” and people jump down my throat to explain “it’s not everyone” “there are good people.” What they are really saying is “stop in the middle of your fear and rage and sadness to tell me I am a good person.” Suddenly my pain becomes me having to take care of their feelings.

Trump voters want to assure me they are not homophobic, nor racist, despite voting for homophobic and racist platforms. (Or throwing their chance to help away by not showing up or doing a protest vote.)

No. You hurt me. I do not have to apologize for you hurting me.”
medium.com

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palomino  Nov 15, 2016 • 2:21:03am

re: #11 EiMitch

So if I point out that racists were in fact part of the Trump coalition, that constitutes proof that liberals generally painted with too broad a brush? Talk about a non sequitur. And where does Thanos state that “one cop proves the right is pro-racist?”

Relatively few voters in primaries? Not exactly, he got 14 million primary votes, largely from people who were instantly attracted to his xenophobic nativist know-nothing message. They had 15 other choices, they chose the overt bigot.

The sad irony is that those small town working class people who want change will fare no better under Trump. Probably worse. They were conned. But most of his fans will stay loyal while he blames everything on the establishment and the scary black president.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 15, 2016 • 9:15:27pm


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